• OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
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    Aging population of disproportionately unmarried males and very low immigration.

    China’s gonna get weird in the next decade or two.

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      And the rest of the developed world is going to follow close behind as long as the wealth inequality stays as ridiculously broken as it is.

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        One of the major difference with the rest of the developed world is the more or less accepted immigration. See Germany for example.

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          That is most likely only a bandaid too birthrates are falling all over the world. Something is going to need to change eventually.

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            Robots and AIs can start handling more and more of the work, hopefully enough to support a population with a larger proportion of retired/unemployed humans.

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              Robots and AIs can start handling more

              becoming less involved in how our world functions only serves to empower The Matrix, and make us more like slaves

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                Are retirees really like slaves?

                The AIs and robots will be doing our bidding, not the other way around.

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        Actually the opposite. Generally wealthy nations and individuals have fewer children.

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      Plus record high unemployment (20%+, some estimate up to 50%) for those unmarried males. This is the kind of situation that swiftly leads to revolution.

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      On the other hand that low fertility may help reduce the youth unemployment rate in 20 years from now. The same rate that the Chinese government decided to give up computing…

      /s obviously but it is really bad for them

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    China’s demographics are irrecoverably screwed, there is quite literally no way back. Their population collapse began some years ago and the only thing it can do from here is gather speed. Literally every woman in the country between the ages of 16 and 45 could have three children, a totally laughable hypothetical, and it still wouldn’t be enough to stop it.

    That’s official statistics too, there’s some work out there by Chinese Academics shows that it may actually be worse.

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        I’m not sure what your comment means exactly but I don’t see any way out of the demographic hole that they’re in. Fixing it would require continued forced impregnation of every eligible citizen for at least the next decade and opening up their immigration to levels well beyond anything they’ve ever allowed. I strongly doubt that Chinese citizens would tolerate the forced impregnation tactic and who the hell would immigrate knowing that it was a requirement?

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      Couldn’t they just allow immigration? I get that most people don’t want to move to China anymore but it would probably help. I also know they won’t but would immigration work in a vacuum?

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        I think a big problem would be population size. China has about the same population as all of Africa. So the question would be where immigrants should come from. I imagine to be helpful china would probably have to become a popular destination for migrants from all of Africa and Asia at a very large scale.

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        Might not work, but they need every set of you hands they can get, so it’d help, at least a bit…

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    HONG KONG, Aug 15 (Reuters) - China’s fertility rate is estimated to have dropped to a record low of 1.09 in 2022, the National Business Daily said on Tuesday, a figure likely to rattle authorities as they try to boost the country’s declining number of new births.

    China’s fertility rate is already one of the world’s lowest alongside South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

    Concerned about China’s first population drop in six decades and its rapid ageing population, Beijing is urgently trying an array of measures to lift the birth rate including financial incentives and improved childcare facilities.

    China has said it will focus on education, science and technology to improve population quality and strive to maintain a “moderate fertility” level to support economic growth in future.

    Gender discrimination and traditional stereotypes of women caring for their children are still widespread throughout the country.

    Authorities have in recent months increased rhetoric on sharing the duty of child rearing but paternity leave is still limited in most provinces.


    I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    So on the topic, can someone explain why birth rates are so important if it isn’t lower then the death rate? I see this issue so much and I really can’t find a good issue other then economic reasons

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      If the birth rate is too low, the population will progressively become older and older with fewer young people there to support them

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      Really your only answers are going to be based in economics.

      A society can absolutely thrive with a 1:1 ratio, but not built around a capitalistic mindset. Quite frankly China’s probably the best person to have this problem and they ignore the whims of capitalism for their countries residents quite often.

      Possible non-economic considerations could be not having enough people to build a military and lack of cultural exportation. Both of which China doesn’t really have any problems with.

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    how wealthy is Xi Jinping, does anyone know? i’ll bet that guy is basically the richest man on Earth…

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    Why is this happening across the world ? I personally know friends who are trying to have a baby but can’t

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      That’s called infertility, and it’s a separate issue. Fertility rate refers to children per woman, and this is decreasing globally to unsustainable levels. There is a phenomenon known as the “demographic transition” that refers to the demographic shift of pre-industrial high births and high mortality, to high births and low mortality due to modern science, to finally low births and low mortality. The only successful policy to reverse baked-in population decline so far has been to accept large numbers of immigrants. Obviously this can’t be universally applied because those immigrants have to come from somewhere.

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    Westerners love to fantasize about how “China is Collapsing” while their economies are in complete disarray. I’m no defender of their State Capitalist Police State, but China’s definitely doing better than the US is lmao and they certainly are in a better

    Like all this shit about “demographic collapse” is complete bullshit. Isn’t it a good thing that the population of the world’s most populous country is decreasing? Doesn’t that mean more resources to go around? Wouldn’t people in China then enjoy a higher Standard of Living, Cheaper food and Housing? At the very least they’ll be in a better shape to handle the climate catastrophe we’re going into. Something the West is not even trying to address.

    But yeah China is collapsing, okay.

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      Yeah Right, China Survived the Great Leap Forward but a marginal decline in fertility rates will lead to absolutely chaos lol

      and don’t they run this story every 3 weeks are so?