White House downplays CNN poll showing majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine | CNN Politics
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The White House on Wednesday downplayed CNN polling showing most Americans oppose Congress providing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia ahead of a reported administration request for more aid.

Mitch McConell says the quiet part out loud.

Exact full quote from CNN:

“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/4085063

  • gnuhaut
    814·
    1 year ago

    They’re not in NATO and they haven’t tried to attack again, have they? Do you think Georgia is some kind of terrible example? Because I’d rather be in Georgia than Ukraine. I don’t think they’re making Georgians run into minefields right now.

    • protist@mander.xyzEnglish
      172·
      1 year ago

      “Russia isn’t invading Georgia right now” isn’t a very good argument, given they invaded it 15 years ago, forcibly removed all ethnic Georgians from those regions they invaded, opened two large military bases on Georgian territory, and to this day occupy those regions.

      • gnuhaut
        28·
        1 year ago

        Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili blamed for starting Russian war

        EU investigation says Tbilisi launched indiscriminate assault on South Ossetia Inquiry accuses both sides in five-day conflict of breaking laws of war

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/30/georgia-attacks-unjustifiable-eu

        The EU-commissioned report, by a fact-finding mission of more than 20 political, military, human rights and international law experts led by the Swiss diplomat, Heidi Tagliavini, was unveiled in Brussels today after nine months of work.

        Flatly dismissing Saakashvili’s version, the report said: “There was no ongoing armed attack by Russia before the start of the Georgian operation … Georgian claims of a large-scale presence of Russian armed forces in South Ossetia prior to the Georgian offensive could not be substantiated … It could also not be verified that Russia was on the verge of such a major attack.”

        • protist@mander.xyzEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          The Russians had moved mercenaries and paramilitary forces into South Ossetia in apparent preparation for armed hostilities before Saakashvili’s disastrous offensive, which triggered a Russian invasion and left his country partitioned. But the proper Russian reponse to the artillery barrage came – by land, sea and air – 12 hours after the Georgian action.

          I guess Russian mercenaries and paramilitary forces don’t count as an invasion, according to this report.

          Russian claims of Georgian “genocide” in South Ossetia were dismissed and Russian claims that Georgians had killed 2,000 civilians were found to be wildly exaggerated. The report put the figure of civilian dead at 162 on the South Ossetian side.

          The secession of South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia was branded illegal and Russian recognition of the two “states” in breach of international law. The report found that Moscow had been assiduously preparing the secession by, among other things, a policy of “passportification”, illegally distributing Russian passports on a mass scale among the breakaway populations.

          • gnuhaut
            14·
            1 year ago

            They looked at all that and still concluded that Georgia attacked first, and did not attack preemptively because they were threatened.

            It’s a EU report, it’s not pro-Russian. If anything, I’d be biased against Russia. Yet they still conclude that.

            • protist@mander.xyzEnglish
              31·
              1 year ago

              If the US sends Blackwater across the Rio Grande to occupy Coahuila, then Mexico fights back to push them out, Mexico started it, right

    • ExLisper@linux.communityEnglish
      111·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, I guess your right, it’s better to be in Georgia… for now. Because what makes you think that if Russia didn’t get stuck in Ukraine they wouldn’t invade Georgia next? And then Moldova? Did you really buy the “they want to join NATO excuse?”. And by your logic during WWII USA should just give up imminently and hand over Hawaii to Japan, right? And England should also just give up. After all it’s better to live under fascist regime than fight a war. The so called “French way”. That’s one way to look at it. Another way is to say that the less people live in fascist regimes the better, even if takes fighting a war to free them.

      • gnuhaut
        27·
        1 year ago

        Because what makes you think that if Russia didn’t get stuck in Ukraine they wouldn’t invade Georgia next? And then Moldova?

        What makes me think that is that Russia has tried multiple times to solve the conflict in Donbas diplomatically, and that they didn’t want to annex it in the Minsk agreements. Can you libs do anything but make inappropriate WW2 comparisons?

        You do realize that the Ukrainian president does photo ops hugging Neo-Nazis, and that these guys are free to operate and have state backing? Ukraine even gave Russian Neo-Nazis a bunch of Bradleys and told them to attack into Russia proper. Ukrainians right now are living under a fascist regime, one that openly celebrated Nazi collaborating mass murderers.

        I can already hear you say “those are not a majority”. Well why does that matter if it’s official state policy to promote, fund and arm those fuckers?

        • ExLisper@linux.communityEnglish
          92·
          1 year ago

          So Ukraine is using a Neo-Nazi group to help them defend their independence while Russia has an actual Nazi army that’s murdering civilians and a leader that is an actual Nazi that murders and jails his opponents. Yeah, I think I will still support Ukraine, thanks.

          • gnuhaut
            25·
            1 year ago

            If Putin is such a Nazi, where’s the ethnonationalism? You do know that Nazis believe in racial supremacy?

            The regime in Kiev also jails and murders their opponents, and how is that relevant to whether Putin is a Nazi? The Nazis weren’t the only ones who did that.

            You’re removing all meaning from the word Nazi if you call Putin one. He doesn’t believe the same shit as the Nazis, and he hasn’t done any crimes as heinous as the Nazis’.

            • ExLisper@linux.communityEnglish
              22·
              1 year ago

              Starting a war in Ukraine is a crime as heinous as the ones Nazis did. And Putin a dictator a heinous as they get. I would also rather go to war they condemn my country to being part of the shitty Russian empire that can’t offer it’s citizens anything besides corruption, poverty, suffering and total disregard of their rights.

              • gnuhaut
                13·
                1 year ago

                Well, I tried. You’d rather downplay Nazi mass murder then back down, do you? Get fucked.

                  • gnuhaut
                    13·
                    1 year ago

                    No you’re not. You are comparing this conflict with one of the worst campaigns of genocide in human history. You’re up-playing it.