In this case, I’m referring to the notion that we all make minor sacrifices in our daily interactions in service of a “greater good” for everyone.

“Following the rules” would be a simplified version of what I’m talking about, I suppose. But also keeping an awareness/attitude about "How will my choices affect the people around me in this moment? “Common courtesy”, “situational awareness”, etc…

I don’t know that it’s a “new” phenomenon by any means, I just seem to have an increasing (subjective) awareness of it’s decline of late.

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    Generally speaking, consideration for others is inversely proportional to the desperation of a given community. Think about how hard people have to work these days and still can’t afford a decent place to live and food to eat. It makes perfect sense that someone who feels that the system is keeping them down, and wearing them to the bone won’t be conscientious of how their actions will affect others. That mixed with Western ideals of extreme individualism, and a political climate that promotes divisiveness, it’s truly a wonder that anyone has any consideration at all for their fellow countrymen.

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        It seems to go either way, depending on all the little local variables. Strong communities, or dog-eat-dog.

        Also, you can have situations where if you “conform”, you’re protected by the growing-together, but if something makes you different, that community comes after you, out of fear that you being different will bring even more hardship down on everyone’s head.

        My social group is made up of basically goths, queers, nerdy weirdos who grew up in fundamentally conservative and religious towns and families, and are (now as adults) generally very supportive and chill with differences–but we got a hell of a lot of bullying from our natal families/cultures growing up. Based on individual personalities, there’s honestly little reason we were rejected…we don’t go out committing crimes, or bully, or be mean. But the differences we do have seem to scare or make our families feel ashamed of us–so, rejection. And so we lose the protection that the community offers others.

        I recognize communities supporting each other is important–but the bit where perfectly good people who are kind and smart and aren’t committing crimes are just thrown on the curb like trash because we don’t believe in religion like others do, or because we ask questions when things don’t make sense…I struggle with that bit, for obvious reasons.

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    It’s the prime source of despair for me at work, as a custodian. Be it staff, clients, or coworkers - being a lazy selfish piece of shit feels pretty common.

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    Everyone in this thread is ignoring all of the invisible things we do everyday as part of the social contract:

    -Every time someone stops at a red light

    -Every time we accept a piece of paper and in return render some service or surrender some treasure

    -Every person waiting in line everywhere

    -Every person who pays taxes

    -Every time we go to the grocery store and just take it for granted that there will be food at the grocery store

    I get it some a-hole cut you off in traffic. But we rely on our social contract to literally stay alive. It is a miracle and the pinnacle of human achievement. Maybe just say thank you?

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    Answering the title: yes. All the fucking time.

    One of the little things that annoy me to hell and back is the “lack of decency” from marketing companies that robocall you nonstop. Knowing that someone is profitting off my (and millions’) misery makes it even more infuriating.

    Then there’s the actually small, dumb stuff that people also insist, like refusing to get out of the way and thinking -you- are wrong for wanting to get past them. In a fucking public space that their fat ass is almost fully blocking.

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      Advertising is 100% an arms race. It’s probably one of the most destructive things to the social fabric and goodwill in society right now.

      Proactive truth, honesty, and disclosure should be the priority of companies when reaching the market. Instead we get entertainment, vague claims and absurd lies.

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    I keep in mind that observation bias is a thing and I can’t remember the people around me who are constantly following it.

    Many years ago I was walking out of Port Authority and a women, clearly mentally ill, ran up to me and wacked me in the back. There is zero doubt that I have passed well over 10k people in that area in my life. I only remember 1 of them because of what she did 1 time to me.

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    I was on the subway, standing, recently when an elderly man got on board. I’d guess he was in his 70s. Had a crutch under his arm. Had one or a few small bruises on his face. He looked frail. No one with a seat made any effort to offer him their seat. He stayed right near the doorway of the subway, and I thought “oh, maybe he’s just going one stop.” He wasn’t. He just didn’t expect anyone to vacate a seat for him.

    I remember the subway before personal music players, and now ‘smartphones’ were ubiquitous. From what I can see, common courtesy has fallen sharply with the rise of ‘smartphones’ (and the concomitant “I’m walking around completely oblivious to my surroundings and focused on what’s on the 4 inch screen 4 inches from my face”)

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    The shopping cart test for a community. Or seeing trash on the ground in public places, tells you alot about a area.

    The golden rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Culture is learned from your peer group. Feeling a investmemt in your environment and a sense of ownership in it’s condition change behavior. “This is our public park, so I won’t littler”, vs “This is their public park so I don’t have to clean up”.

    I just want to live in a nice world, so I treat my world nice. Even when nobody is looking.

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    It’s a bit of confirmation bias. Once something “big” happens to you, you start seeing little things that you’d before just write off.

    But a part of it is the increase in homeless people. Many of them, thanks to mental illness and drug addiction, can’t follow a social contract.

    Of course, naturally, they get left on the street where they ruin everyone else’s day instead of being forced into an area where they can exhaust themselves out, and get their illnesses treated.

    Because that would cost too much money, of course, as if letting those people lose their grip on reality and break shit doesn’t already cost money.

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    My biggest aggravation are people who cut into entry lanes whilst in traffic just to get maybe ten cars ahead because their time is soooo much more important than anyone else’s.

    I had a much longer list of other things that I had typed out, but I cut it out. I don’t want to be putting more negative out into the world than needed.

    So yes, despair is constant, seeing people have so little regard for their fellow human beings. We’re all sharing this world, we’re all trying to exist. Though that’s not to say it’s all bad, there’s a lot of very selfless things people do every day too. It’s easier to see the negatives, but there’s definitely good out there too.

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    As an American: “How will my choices affect the people around me in this moment?” Is almost comical to see.

    Most assholes of my fellow Americans think “That nosey sonofaremoved needs to get out of my way! I want to light fireworks off at 4am how dare he say I shouldn’t! FREEDUMB!”

    I used to live behind a gas station. 3am and almost every shithead going get gas had their subwoofers set to “shatter windows a mile away”

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    Yes. Quite often, sadly. Usually when I’m driving, but also when I see someone blatantly littering in front of a perfectly good trash can or absent-mindedly blocking an aisle at the grocery store.

    Integrity is no longer valued in our society because it’s an intangible virtue that you can’t directly benefit from, so many people toss out that decorum for marginal gains. The reason I throw my trash away in a trash can is because I respect the social contract and I don’t want to leave a mess for someone else to have to clean (even if it might be their job to clean it) not because I’m afraid of being judged or confronted by others, which I think is the only thing keeping most people on the right side of the equation these days.

    The Shopping Cart Theory is a fantastic way to determine if you are dealing with somebody who doesn’t respect the social contract, and indeed, that attitude transcends mere niceties and seeps into their personality - laziness, selfishness, and a general lack of respect for other people’s time and property.

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    My spouse and I talk about this often. A very obvious example is how rude (and recklessly dangerous) people are while driving. And myriad minor things out in public in general. No sense of community and a complete lack of consideration for others is the new normal. It got worse during and after the pandemic.

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      Yes, driving, parking–all manner of auto-related behavior are prime examples of this. But I would add that pedestrians are not faultless. Can’t count the number of times I’ve had to wait for a young, healthy pedestrian just taking. their. time. in the crosswalk while a bunch of us are waiting to complete a turn, for example. I always double-time it in a crosswalk–it’s not only courteous–it diminishes the likelihood of me getting run down by someone looking at their phone while they’re driving.

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        I’m sorry, but when I’m walking 2 miles to the nearest store, I’ll adopt a steady pace. When it’s my turn to go at the intersection, I’ll take the time I need to go through.

        All these impatient drivers are sitting in their air-conditioned car anyway, I’m not breaking a sweat just so they can save a few seconds.

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          So what you’re saying is that you don’t care about others people’s time or convenience. Which then raises the question, why should others care about yours?

          This attitude is the breakdown of the social contract being discussed right now lol

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        I hear you but is really that big of a deal? Out of all the many challenges in life, slow pedestrians affects maybe like 15-25 seconds of my day at most lol. Who cares if they trot or stroll?

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          This is the whole point of the post. Everyone should have an intrinsic desire to get out of each other’s way, be courteous, be thoughtful of other’s time, etc. The flip side is we ask our neighbors to be patient as we do our best in our day, and may have things slowing US down.

          So the 1-2 punch is: be courteous to avoid bothering others, and be patient to understand that others are trying their best.

          If everyone genuinely tries on both those topics, everyone feels pretty good about their public interactions.

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    I don’t know, but I just spent two days at an amusement park, so I’m in the sort of mood where I hate all people everywhere.

    Like why the fuck are you just standing in the middle of a walkway? No, your group of 20 can’t jump the line to catch up with the one 6 year old who’s been alone for an hour. And double fuck everyone in the wave pool.

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      I just went to two amusement parks in Japan this week (Universal and Disney). It’s a different world here. People form orderly queues. They wait their turn. They don’t make noise. We all say thank you at the end of an interaction.

      I see 20 metre single-file queues for escalators. Back home it’s a chaotic meat funnel.

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      An amusement park seems like the perfect hellscape to make me detest the world. That’s a great reminder of a place to avoid.

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      Family of 5 walks out of a busy door, takes two steps, stops to discuss their plans. There are literally a hundred people around coming and going. And that’s where you stop?

      Happens on the daily in the city.

      No one anywhere “cares” about anyone else. Don’t like it, deal. Or better yet keep quiet and leave me the fuck alone. Mentality of 95% of this world it seems.

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        I feel a lot of this is just obliviousness. People are so sucked into what they are doing they don’t notice anyone around them.

        It’s the reason shopping at Walmart can be so frustrating for me. People pause and stop at random spots (and I don’t mean to get items).

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        My favorite version of the large-group-stops-in-the-worst-spot is when they do that at the top (or bottom) of ESCALATORS. 🤦‍♂️

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    I don’t know if it’s actually real but I feel like since Corona and the Lockdowns many people are even nastier than before.

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      I’m looking forward to research on that.

      I’ve an impression that “people are even nastier than before” has been a result of Trump era politics which reveled in nastiness — which itself appeared to be a pushback from nasty people about Obama being president. Basically its been a growing divide and was made a lot worse when such a prominent political group doubled down on divisiveness as a tribal identity.

      I think it predated covid, which certainly made things worse, but I don’t really know what the cause was.

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      For example, many people consider homeless or unemployed people barely anything more than “parasites” or “leeches” because they supposedly don’t uphold their part in the social contract

      Just gonna hit back on this and say most people probably consider the total utter degeneracy and petty/violent crimes they witness the local homeless population commiting as them not upholding the social contract. Here in my city they’re shitting on a busy sidewalk in broad daylight, or blatantly stealing packages or openly assaulting women. Endlessly harassing people on our public transit and making it a nightmare to use.

      I made that sound bad, I’m sure there’s plenty that likely aren’t acting this way. I’m sure I’m only seeing the worst of the worst. Their lives have undoubtedly been rough and I can only imagine what happened to them as a child to lead them to where they are as an adult. They’re regularly looked down upon and we gutted our mental health institutions long ago. Heroin and fentanyl are omnipresent.

      But to imply that most people view them as not upholding the contract because they don’t have a job is probably incorrect. We’re at a time where empathy is at its highest concerning systemic/collective issues. But if we’re not careful this also leads us to ignore and excuse away individuals who are blatantly in the wrong and have the least empathy towards others because we’ve blinded ourselves to be unable to see the trees in the forest. Just because your life sucks doesn’t mean it’s okay for you to abuse others to make yourself feel better.