Rogan promoted the conspiracy theory that Epps was an “agent provocateur” for the feds, a baseless claim that has led to a defamation suit against Fox News.
Stop paying attention to him. He was over validated as being a great interviewer, but that’s only because he created a safe space for right-wing reactionaries to pander to conservative bros. His takes are trash, his hyper masculine routine is tired and lame, and he is a regular source of immediately debunkable misinformation.
He’s a terrible interviewer. I attempted to listen to one of his podcasts many years ago because the interviewee was someone I was interested in. Joe Rogan quite obviously had no fucking clue about the specifics of why this person is notable, and his line of questioning was uneducated and irritating.
I never tried to listen/watch to Rogan again.
Rogan gets dumber all the time
Same with his fans.
What he doesn’t get is that you need a accompanying talking therapy if you make a show like that, personal invested and frequent. Even the most grounded character would start to drift, sooner or later. We are after all just human and nobody can fight that in the long run alone.
Fucking Spotify using my money to pay this nutjob really pisses me off
Vote with your wallet. Deezer is pretty good. I switched to them when Spotify decided I needed Rogan in my life despite their algorithm undoubtedly indicating otherwise.
I switched to YouTube music and have been happy with it. The family plan is about the same price as Spotify and includes YouTube premium which has been an unexpectedly nice bonus.
I’m kinda the opposite: I got YouTube Red (now Premium) to kill ads and got a music service for “free.”
With the added bonus of no Rogan.
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Far far better. While still being problematic capitalist removed. Who will shamelessly chase attention clicks and money.
There is a lot of trash on YouTube. And some of it is even monetized. You can correct me if I’m wrong. But alphabet has not paid for exclusivity or sought out any of those trash makers. The evil Google does is pursuing engagement. And the best most assured way of achieving that is through controversy and outrage. Google is generally neutrally evil. And while evil. It’s still better then the other alternatives. Though I would genuinely like to see an alternative like peer tube someday be able to supplant them.
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They’re not pushing it to the top of the algorithms. The algorithms are driven by engagement. And outrage is one of the most sure drivers. You’re attributing far more to Google than I think we can reasonably prove their involved in. Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to incompetence.
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Recommend Tidal as well if you like smaller artists. The search feature is nowhere near as good, but the curated playlists seem better to me. And you’re top 2 artists of the month, I think, get 10% of your subscription fee directly.
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It’s really nice to be able to watch YouTube on your TV and not have to deal with ads
Definitely. Between YouTube and my jellyfin server. I basically don’t watch any other streaming services or live television outside of Pluto, or the currently airing season of what we do in the shadows
I do encourage everyone to drop all Meta platforms, but generally speaking “vote with your wallet” is ineffectual.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Edit: choosing what makes you happier is never ineffectual, but capitalism is not a democracy. You can’t “vote” out a company by choosing not to use their product, especially when that company owns many of the options or has control over the majority of the market.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
How is voting with your wallet ineffectual?
There’s a confirmation bias at work here. The shitty things people didn’t pay for don’t exist.
Yes, but a useful “evil” thing will continue to exist because it is useful. The majority of people value something useful/convenient WAY more than they care about morals.
OldPersonDiaperSeasoning.com won’t last because it’s simply awful, but Meta/Amazon just won’t seem to die no matter how many people hate it and choose to leave because it is useful.
I understand it’s an unpopular opinion, but you don’t become the size of Meta without leveraging significant market power.
Consumer boycotts have their place, but rarely exercise the same level of influence over a company than other methods of activism.
Meta can easily just buy the next most popular alternative anyway (as they have repeatedly).
Then stop giving Spotify your money. Thats on you.
Yep it’s totally unnecessary to pay anyone for streaming music.
Just obtain your own MP3s of the music you prefer, and listen to those files on your device. It’s the 2000s way to music, and it’s still the best.
Internet connectivity is not available everywhere, so you may encounter areas that streaming doesn’t work. MP3 collections don’t have that problem.
You can also get your own Plex server or something like that if you really just want to stream your music. That’s another way to have your music on hand without bullshit subscriptions.
Highly recommend piracy.
It’s hard for music unfortunately
Not if you use Soulseek.
Wait… Soulseek is still a thing? I have fond memories of running a client on our schools sever 20+ years ago. Let it download all night. Grab it once I was back in class.
Great times.
Get a Deezer account and use Deemix to ‘archive’ all the music you’d be sad if it went away. Yknow, just in case.
Stop paying for, and using Spotify. That way you know that you aren’t supporting him.
I switched to Tidal when he first started going on with the COVID misinformation. Haven’t looked back.
same. Tidal is awesome
Tidal is not bad
Source: I switched to tidal when they picked up Rogan and started cramming his show down my throat
Fuck Spotify for using money to pay ANY podcast to be exclusively there.
Podcasts are an open medium that is decentralized and allows free choice of client and they are trying to monopolize it
Then unsubscribe and stop whining? You have other options available.
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I canceled Spotify for Tidal when they announced the big deal for him. They are not as good as Spotify at helping me find new music, but they seem less evil. I put “Rogan” as my reason from cancelling.
Spotify owns this mess.
I say it’s a fact that he’s an idiot.
Guys this isn’t reddit. Can we just forget these losers and idolize at least different douchebags?
Guy that got paid to make contestants eat bugs and donkey dicks gets paid to make podcast listeners eat bugs and donkey dicks.
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I dunno, there is that guy who’s burning down their highly popular social media empire.
Careful, some people might take that as a challenge
I had a hard time understanding why people would listen to Rogan after reading all these articles about him. Then my wife and I talked about it for a little bit and I took a listen to an episode of the Joe Rogan Experience.
I’m completely talking out of my ass here but I think Rogan is a good/influential conversationalist. I think people get carried away by his views because of the convenience of his skill, kinda similar to how some people tend to err on the broad side of being agreeable when talking to a stranger for the first time, at least in a North American context. Set up the “conversation” as a podcast and it’s easy for familiarity to build with his audience. People getting familiar with his content then subconsciously decide that they really agreed in the first place because he talks nice and now they’re a fan.
Great orators are amazing at getting you to nod your head in agreement. I’ve “fallen victim” to it as well with Obama in his 2004 DNC speech. Just rose tint everywhere. It’s a little easier to understand through this but of course I am so open to being completely wrong about this. What do you guys think?
The problem, from the limited exposure I have to him, is he does a lot of "I heard"s and "they say"s and presents it as fact. Eventually, the hearsay becomes “it’s a fact”. He’s doing the same thing Tucker Carlson has done. I can’t say if the man’s an idiot or not but he certainly plays one for a living.
I disagree that he has any particular skill that is notable. He was also a lousy comedian, most remembered for his crusade against joke stealing than anything else (I dare you to ask anyone their favorite Joe Rogan joke).
He had first mover advantage. Then he started to realize the right wing hits were drawing his viewers, and went further in further in that direction.
Oration is a personal interest I have. (See username) I’m not great at it, but it is an interest.
I think you’re correct on all accounts. I’ve listened to a few of his clips, but I wouldn’t call myself a fan or even a listener. His cadence is often casual but slows a bit when he wants to stress a point. He likes storytelling. If he speaks about things that are universally frustrating, you can feel his speech begin to clip faster and his voice raise. Good intonations. And he seems good at having something to talk about and staying on task.
Good and bad people can be fantastic storytellers. I don’t know enough about him to make a judgement on his character, but I think he’s a good communicator.
Thanks for the distinction with conversationalist vs. interviewer. The folks that seem to listen the most seem to be into bros having casual conversation, not an in depth interview while being well versed in the subject’s expertise like a Terry Gross or Ezra Klein interview. The show seems like a slightly elevated bros bullshitting session.
Thats literally the premise of 90% of the show. Hes stated that several times. He started the podcast with the intent of it being a bullshit fun project to have his Bros come on smoke weed and talk shit. Which is great entertainment and funny. Now he has said it many times. He wants to talk to anyone his cave man brain finds interesting. He admits hes very uneducated on a lot of matters and tells people that outside the realms of fitness and nutrition you shouldn’t be looking to him for advice or following what he says. The reason his viewership is as large as it is is because he thinks about things very very similarly to how honestly most people up here in that I know in new england think of things. He thinks about shit in the same way the average working class dude does.
So, all that nice innocent stuff plus: believes (and propagates) that Jan 6 was a false flag, publicly berates respected scientists on Twitter to get them to debate him, casts doubts on vaccines, etc etc.
I agree 100%. His podcasts can be interesting or entertaining some times, depending on the guests. When he talks to some other comedians like Theo Von and Joey Diaz it can be very entertaining, or when he’s talking to people in sports & fitness. To me he’s always been this wacky stoner triphead character, someone that can be fun to have around occasionally but not someone that you want to talk about serious topics with. My impression is that he’s been getting more crazy and conspiratorical after covid hit, I certainly listen to him a lot less ever since.
Remember kids, if you use Spotify; your coins are going to this ass hat.
I actually cancelled my Spotify account over this ass hat.
They’re taking people’s love of music and using it to pay off a hate monger. The average payout for musicians has been declining for years.
This and lossless are 99% why I jumped ship to apple music. The other 1% is better artist payout.
Apple hosts Steve Bannon’s podcast fyi
The apple podcast app is free. Arguably funded by hardware sales of the devices it runs on. I don’t have any of those.
I didn’t say anything about their podcast app. How are you using apple music for free?
You mentioned Steve Bannon… Apple music doesn’t have podcasts…
It’s a good thing that Apple podcasts and Apple music aren’t intrinsically connected then, huh? They still platform him.
I don’t really see the difference between this and Spotify, but whatever.
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But it’s not a fact. Like, by definition, it’s literally not.
These fucking grown toddlers think anything that offends their feefees is bad, or wrong, or illegal. Because they have no coping mechanism beyond throwing a tantrum. Grow. the. fuck. up.
People that don’t share your views exist, and they are important too…
Why do people still listen to this fuckstick? He proved long ago that he has the mental capacity of a bag of rocks, so lets just leave him in a corner to be ignored and move on.
Who cares what this idiot says? I know plenty of idiots, why care about this one’s perspective?
Spotify doesn’t publicly release its JRE subscriber numbers. But sources clarified the show has been consistently growing since the podcaster joined the streamer and hasn’t spiked due to any particular event. By one recent estimate, Rogan typically averages 11 million listeners per episode.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/joe-rogan-spotify-subscribers-1235134232/
Any time someone on the internet says, “who cares what this idiot says” about someone prominent, the answer is always: millions of people.
Spotify is also paying Rogan $200 million for the honor of being the exclusive platform used to spread his disinformation, which is one of the reasons I prefer to avoid it. It’s bad enough they distribute it, but the fact that my subscriber dollars would directly be funding his bullshit just sticks in my craw too much.
Rogan is 100% of the reason my house moved from Spotify back to Pandora.
sadly true
I keep trying to give Rogan some slack, I’ve been listening to his podcast on and off for a decade now and it just gets harder and harder to excuse him. I genuinely understand someone having a distrust for ‘the narrative’ . What I don’t understand is how someone could do both that and then immediately trust the very next narrative that comes along. It seems naive and laughable.
Keep talking about chimps and DMT, Joe for fucks sake
I occasionally put on old episodes at work and it’s insane how different he is. Used to have very progressive views while still exercising the ability to think critically on informations and events. Now every episode is flagged for misinformation, and he’s constantly dropping the word “woke” as if to test the waters with each guest, practically leaping out of his jeans to go on another anti-woke tangent. He’s become completely consumed by it. I suppose this is what’s bound to happen when you repeatedly surround yourself with morons like Eddie Bravo and Alex Jones.
The second he platformed Alex Jones, it should have been the end for Rogan. That should have destroyed any and all goodwill. But not only did it not do that, he’s brought on Jones more than once and his fans love it. Has Rogan even condemned Jones after he lost his case in Texas? I haven’t heard anything about it. I haven’t heard any condemnation before that either. They seem to be close compadres. It’s disgusting.
They’ve both been co-opted by the ones they sought out to fight in the first place: The super wealthy
Consumed by greed and success they don’t know how to stop.
Nope. Alex Jones straight up turned on Rogan, said terrible things about him on Infowars. Not only did Rogan not hear about it, because he doesn’t watch infowars, he went back on his show.
Then again, Rogan was a guest on Infowars on 9/11, so maybe we shouldn’t be that surprised.
There’s questioning the narrative and then there’s just spewing misinformation and conspiracy theories. Rogan usually does the latter.
Jesus, what an insufferable moron.
What an insufferable, credulous ignoramus.
I listened to Rogan since 2010 and stopped around the time he moved to Texas. I just could find any more slack, nor could I find enough excuses for him.
I don’t try to listen to him, but sometimes his content comes up in YouTube feeds because he’s had guests like Neil Degrasse Tyson or Brian Cox on his show. I’m always torn because I don’t want to support Rogan.
Been there myself. Honestly, you’re not missing much.
Ignoring the obvious - provocation and false flags are polar opposites, you dunderfuck.
Agent provocateurs go into sincere crowds and start shit to escalate what they’re already doing. (Or to justify violence against the crowd, because “someone” threw a rock.) It’s an agent, singular. An opposing individual in disguise shapes perception.
False-flag attacks are done by an opposing group. And they do the thing, themselves. They’re not goading a crowd into escalating, or inviting violence from undisguised opposition. Sincere individuals are completely optional. The action is performed entirely by people acting under someone else’s banner. You know. Like the name.
If if was a false flag, you’d want these assholes in jail as badly as we do.
Could you imagine the bloodbath of live fire that would have met Antifa mobs?
They treat that single dead loon as if she was shot in her own apartment, and not crawling over the final barricade between an angry mob and the entire elected federal government.
Well. The entire elected federal government, except for one particular bastard.
