From the linked article…
In a day and age when literally everyone connected to a film production gets a credit, from craft services to on-set teachers of child actors to random “production babies” who didn’t even work on a film, it is utterly incomprehensible that vfx artists, whose work makes possible the final images that appear onscreen, are routinely omitted from screen credits.
I can attest to this, having worked in the field. Most of the work in TV and cinema goes uncredited, with team leaders or just the post houses at most being recognized with an end credit placement (by contract, of course). I understand totally that it is always a team effort and hardly any of the viewing public sits through the entire end credits roll. I totally get it. But when it happens that you are included, that small token of recognition does remind you why you’re doing 12-hour days erasing power lines, making day look like night, adding/removing people and/or signage from shots they weren’t supposed to be in and pushing greenscreened people in front of moving cars.
Is that really up to Nolan? I don’t know anything about the industry but is a director in charge of making sure everyone is credited?
He’s also a producer in all his films. He definitely has the clout and oversight to ensure its done. But he’s also a luddite and so it’s not natural for his brain to consider things like that. Remember, this is a guy that doesn’t even have a mobile phone.
As a director and writer, he wants his name to to be seen, to tell people it’s his film. As a producer, he makes sure the actors appear in the correct order. After that, it’s someone else’s problem.
Surely as an actor and director, those people that were integral to achieving his vision getting the recognition they deserve should, ordinarily, be his problem?
Yes. Typing their names into the credits roll however, isn’t.
I’m sure most studios have an unpaid intern for that.
a luddite?
that’d quite pathethic coming from someone working at the top of one of the most technology-dependent industry existing today…
He’s also producer.
Probably not, but the movie is pretty much defined by him. It’s not just Oppenheimer, it’s “Christopher Nolan’s Oppenheimer”.
As someone who had his name left out of film credits before (actually, it listed the guy’s name who didn’t get the role I got instead of mine), I know how this stings. Sadly film & television is full of neglectful morons, they fuck up, ultimately all you can do is move on.
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The official runtime is 180 minutes exactly, so actually is 3 hours.
Damn, does his hate for VFX even extend to the people working on it?
I wonder if it’s really hate for VFX people or that they just think so little of the cheap Indian labour they used to produce this to not even mention them in the credits.
Or maybe they just wanted to hide the fact that most of the VFX was produced in India (I assume from the names and DNEGs offices), not in the US?
Well, in their defense, we are a despicable lot. 🤣🤣🤣
I think the various unions are the only reason anybody gets a credit at all. George Lucas got fined for not putting enough credits at the start of Star Wars, iirc.
Kind of sucky that people get no credit, although sitting through the credits of Red Dead Redemption 2 will probably give an idea of why they don’t list everybody at every studio and contracted company that worked on it, since they were about half an hour long.
The fine Lucas got was from omitting the director’s credit from the start of the movie. It’s not like anybody was defending the guys doing the work behind the scenes.
This might be a needless nitpick, but had to bring it up, as it’s not the first time I’ve come across this.
Yeah, that’s the one. The director’s guild (not union, although I guess similar) imposed the fine, even though it was his own name he omitted.
Even James Earl Jones didn’t get a credit although that was at his own request apparently. He’d rattled through the lines in like 2 hours, pocketed his money and went home. Didn’t feel he’d deserved it, vs the poor guy who’d sweated in a suit for weeks and didn’t even get to be seen or heard.
He also claims there isn’t even one CGI shot in the entire film. I don’t believe that. There aren’t any backgrounds filled in at all? No touch ups? If he used matte paintings you would be able to tell with IMAX, there’s too much definition to pass off a painting.
I don’t believe that.
Given how extremely lackluster that nuclear explosion looked, it can’t be that far off from the truth.
That was so disappointing…
While I will agree that maybe Sir Christopher is possibly stretching the truth regarding CGI (it’s entirely possible there isn’t one entire, totally computer-generated shot), but computer-aided, computer-enhanced, no. Especially in this day and age, everything is touched by Inferno/Flame/Smoke/Nuke/AE/Blender/Maya/blah blah blah.
When you say “matte painting” you mean traditional, non-digital, paint-on-glass? Forgive my ignorance, but why would that be any more or less noticible in IMAX?
Imax has a huge resolution. It’s like watching a 4k copy of an old movie and being able to see how fake the materials used were.
And you have the other side of movie credits where they add the crew pets , new born kids and deceased during filming.
I geuss that for a movie like Oppenheimer the credit would last longer than the movie itself.
🙄 While I’d agree with you if I didn’t doubt you about credited pets and kids without actual roles, I’m pretty certain nobody has a problem with the memorial title cards.
I barely watch any movie and yet i saw pets and new born being credited. It happens, their’s no doubt about it. As for the memorial, i didn’t say it was a bax thing. Neither of this is a bad thing. i was just pointing at something i observed that is in a striking contrast with 80% of the vfx team being uncredited in Oppenheimer.
I wouldn’t think the recognition from the public would be main reason. I figured that the biggest reason you’d want the credit is for future employers to see your name attached to a film. I would imagine they would be the ones to either sit through credits or search a credits database to see who worked on which films or worked on films recently.
People who think a Hollywood director sits down with a list of names and reviews all the credits should really get a reality check. Thousands of people work on a film like this, and sometimes not even directly with the director. In case of these VFX artist they were most probably a third party studio not at all affiliated with Nolan. How should he know who works for one of their service providers.
I don’t understand why this keeps happening. It’s zero effort to add a person, a dozen or even a thousand to the list, and nobody loses anything by simply writing in a name.
I gave up on movies the moment jar jar binks appeared on screen. I walked out and have never been back. However when I did watch movies, I always watched to the end of the credits as the musicians were always last. I am a musician.
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🤣 Pal, did you not see the name of this community?!? You are definitely in the wrong place!
Maybe try here instead. 🧘
