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I’m gonna channel John brown with every nazi I see
I’ve seen people unironically insist John Brown was a Nazi. I believe “posting John Brown memes” was one of the arguments for banning a swath of leftist subs on Reddit, back in '16.
A man who gave his life to free slaves is no nazi. The fact that it’s controversial to say slaves should be free is what made me radicalized
A man who gave his life to free slaves is no nazi.
Ah, but he condoned violence. And every liberal knows that resisting the benevolent enslavement of the superior white race is just as bad as firing artillery rounds at a federal base off the coast of South Carolina.
The fact that it’s controversial to say slaves should be free is what made me radicalized
You’re allowed to say slaves should be free. Everyone has the right to free speech, after all.
You’re just not allowed to do anything to free the slaves. Or condone those that do. Or mention the names of those that condone those that do. Or suggest in any way that violence is an appropriate response to a problem.
Unless, we’re talking about violence aimed at a National Enemy, of course. Then you’re an evil double agent of a foreign government if you don’t clap enthusiastically at our next Great Patriotic War abroad.
Good to sort any pedantic or bad faith arguments out now. Pedantry didn’t win the day to stave off WWII and that shit caught on quick. Let’s get ahead of that this time.
I was taught when I was young that you don’t call something that isn’t really genocide genocide, someone that isn’t a nazi a nazi, etc. because it dilutes the meaning of the word. I do think that Israel is committing a genocide, and I do think that Musk is a neo-nazi; I’m not diluting these terms to say this.
One day Nazis are going to find out again that people love killing Nazis more than Nazis love killing their undesirables.
You gotta use all caps to really show how much we LOVE killing Nazis.
Nazis, plural. Where there’s one Nazi, there’s guaranteed multiple more hiding nearby.
Like roaches, except more skeevy.
and less clean
Sane weird breeding fetish though
At this point, they may not even be hiding
ah, the before times.
Now they’re the guys with their arms in the air. pretty hard to miss.
No no, you see they are being “ironic”! Don’t you understand their alpha brained comedy? /s
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“riot sounds create riots”
I don’t really like this, because Nazis were the german national “socialists”, why the fuck would some american dipshits be nazis, they are fascists, we should use the correct word.
Nazis were the german national “socialists”, why the fuck would some american dipshits be nazis, they are fascists, we should use the correct word.
To borrow from a certain Austrian politican from 1923
“Why,” I asked Hitler, “do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?”
“Socialism,” he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
“We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.”
Besides, “The Fascist Party” was an organization originally founded by Benito Mussolini, having fallen out with the Italian Communist Party and formed his own reactionary splinter group. Fascism, as a reactionary response to the simultaneous popular appeal of socialism and the hostility it engenders from monarchism, is a synthesis of the two.
Fascism promises the red meat of social action that populists crave, while cultivating patronage with the aristocracy by deflecting criticism onto minorities. It is a “higher” form of political triangulation. Sort of the methamphetamine of politics, in so far as it juices the body politic to an enthusiastic euphoria of communal action that inevitably leads to self-destruction.
It is, in effect, all the worst aspects of socialism compounded upon itself. Rather than calling it “National Socialism” I would simply refer to it as “Socialism Done Badly”.
Of course it’s a .world account stepping up to defend Nazis.
The Nazis weren’t Nazis, so we shouldn’t call them Nazis either by that logic.
If some dipshit pops out to say “they aren’t German nationalists!” you’ve found a Nazi.
Neo-nazis. Shortened to Nazi. I think we understand what it means given the context.
Dumb and reductionist. There are actual nazis, but people seem to have forgotten what fascism and nazis actually are, so yes they do call anyone a nazi.
This only serves to water down the meaning of calling someone a nazi. And then when the real nazis show up, calling them out will have no impact.
Now, feel free to call me a nazi.
I was thinking of migrating to .world when I saw how annoying the .ml profanity filter is (“fire removedant”) but now I’m glad I didn’t.
Edit: oops, right, this is midwest.social. Anyway, I have seen .world ban for the same normie takes but it was only a suspension
how annoying the .ml profanity filter is (“fire removedant”
Lol, did you know, that aircrafts sometimes call out “removed”?
https://youtu.be/vmbzKsqKQoI?t=34
It means pull back on the throttle, not the um… ableist slur.
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when I saw how annoying the .ml profanity filter is
The word filter is a blunt instrument applied to a gnarly problem. I still see trolls try to slide malformed vocabulary and coded phrasing to harass .ml users and vex the mods. But how long do you really expect mods/admins to work on the problem of “the perfect phrasing filter” when the root problem is inevitably the assholes who come to spam the chat with hate?
Just use fire extinguisher or fire suppressant. It’s not like the filter throws the entire post in the trash.
And of course he defended musks salute, is a transphobe and does not know what genocide is.
https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/19124820/12601741
Hhhmmm… Not very genocide of people aren’t being rounded up and executed, and not very silent if there’s news articles talking about it.
Sensationalist crap.
The one I linked was someone else - I was just talking about in general, banning someone for an opinion of theirs that doesn’t inherently mean they’re a nazi/fascist/communist/etc
I was going by the screenshot and missed the linked user.
That’s based as shit, stay on .ml if you’ve got a beef with it lol
I think .ml ban people too for being anti-communist but even if i knew of a good alternative, i don’t think there’s proper migrating on Lemmy like Mastodon has - only making a new account
Sh.itjust.works pretty much never bans unless you break international law or spam. Unfortunately that means sometimes Nazis come to this instance but usually they’re bullied out.
As someone that had a .ml account until it was explained to me that racism is explicitly allowed on ml… it’s okay on this instance. You lose hexbear but that’s the only downside.
Just never fall for .ee or .world. terrible instances, those.
I get .world, but what’s wrong with .ee? I thought that one was supposed to be cool?
They’ve had some really weird communities pop up in the past and have had some moments of protecting transphobic mods (at least if I remember the PTB comm threads correctly)
Thanks for the background.
Wait, racism explicitly allowed on .ml?
That doesn’t sound very Marxist. He was very clear (probably on account of being Jewish)
Yes, as per their explicit policy, you can never be racist or discriminatory against white people no matter what you say or do.
Or in other words they believe in the power dynamic version of racism, instead of the idea that racism is discrimination based on race.
Huh, that’s weird, I don’t see that at all.
Just “no bigotry,” rule 1.
I wonder why one of the guys sealioning in defense of Nazis would lie about that?
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Holy shit! It worked!
Now go on for a couple paragraphs about “nuance,” and how “life isn’t always black & white.”
This is why you call them all Nazis.
This isn’t my story, but it’s been posted dozens of times if you want to look it up.
Guy is in his local pub. Two new guys come in. They don’t seem to be offensive, but the bartender screams at them to get the fuck out.
The bartender explains that those two are part of the local Nazi clique. How the Nazis work is to have two or three guys come to a place and become regulars. After a couple of weeks, they bring in four or five more guys. Then those guys bring in their buddies, and all of a sudden the regulars don’t want to come in any more and, without noticing, it’s now a Nazi bar.
It’s neat how your rebuttal was to something entirely different from what you were responding to.
It’s not that your comment wasn’t valuable in and of itself. But strictly as a rebuttal to “people go overboard by calling people who make them sad a Nazi”, the idea that we should correctly call out actual blatant low-instance Nazi behaviour as Nazi behaviour isn’t a rebuttal so much as it is a speech. This is question-ducking like I haven’t seen outside of politics.
“Hypothetical people misuse the word nazi” is a very small problem, especially in today’s context. You are wasting time and energy and making yourself look like a nazi defender, even if you are acting somehow in good faith.
The argument you are making often comes up as a distraction. Someone will be like “The republicans wanting to put out-groups into camps is seems like a nazi thing to do” and someone like you will pop in with “well actually” and it’s not helpful. Unless you want to keep people unfocused and bickering so they can’t actually organize and cohere around fighting the villains
The way I look at it, we’ve got real Nazis out here, right now.
So if some idiot calls their roommate a ‘nazi’ because the that person hogs the shower, it really doesn’t matter.
People know the difference between an actual murderer and someone saying, for example, Taylor Swift ‘murdered’ a song.
Misusing words is a minor thing to worry about at this point.
Well that was easy.
No true Scotsman Fallacy
