The paramedics injected him with Ketamine. I’m a paramedic. I initially felt that the crew had done what they were supposed to do, but after the details came out in court, it is clear to me that they neglected important duties as healthcare providers. They should be (and were) held accountable, and the fact that the whole damn system of cops being able to request Ketamine didn’t get its legs blown off after this is a miscarriage of justice.
Edit: I thought this was a further down comment chain asking for pharmacokinetics details, which I haven’t bothered learning for Ketamine as it’s not relevant to me yet. Ketamine is a sedative drug, so it’s used to basically zonk people out.
this is simply an extension of how y’all treat Neuro divergent people in hospitals and psych wards. I assume the fact that it happened in the open made people outraged compared to when it happens behind closed doors
I’m neurodivergent, too. I know what you’re talking about. I’ve seen how people get treated in hospitals and psych wards. I’ve seen some really nasty behavior from other paramedics. We’re sadly not a bunch of paladins; we’ve got a lot of washed up cop wannabes in our ranks for starters. There’s a lot to unpack here, and it’s deserving of criticism, but I don’t think I agree that’s what happened to Elijah.
I’m specifically referring to the paramedics here. As I recall, they were both convicted. Are you talking about the cops, or the non-medical firefighters that were also present?
both of them got probation which is just a sick joke. if it were a Black man killing cops or paramedics he probably would’ve gotten a life sentence, if he survived the encounter
How often is ketamine used? Isn’t there other better alternatives? I’m curious since from what I understand, K holing is really not enjoyable and it seems like quite an extreme sedative, almost bordering on torture. How often do paramedics use it over a year?
Just in case my tone comes off as accusatory, I’m genuinely curious. Thank you for doing such a tough job, I know it isn’t easy.
Well, it’s come into much more wide usage over the last five years as a non-opioid alternative for pain management and non-benzo sedative. For stuff like burns, I understand that it’s much more effective than opiates for pain management. As for how extreme it is, I suspect that that’s dose dependent. I’ve never administered it, as my service doesn’t carry it. Generally, EMS Medical Directors are overly conservative (imo) and usually won’t put stuff that’s SUPER dangerous out in the field, so I’d be pretty surprised if that were the case here. That is, we absolutely carry stuff that can kill you if we fuck up, but it’s usually stuff where it would have to be a pretty significant fuck up (as these guys did here), not “whoops I got the dose wrong by 0.001 mg”
The paramedics injected him with Ketamine. I’m a paramedic. I initially felt that the crew had done what they were supposed to do, but after the details came out in court, it is clear to me that they neglected important duties as healthcare providers. They should be (and were) held accountable, and the fact that the whole damn system of cops being able to request Ketamine didn’t get its legs blown off after this is a miscarriage of justice.
What does ketamine even do?
Idk, tbh, probably something to do with magnets.
Edit: I thought this was a further down comment chain asking for pharmacokinetics details, which I haven’t bothered learning for Ketamine as it’s not relevant to me yet. Ketamine is a sedative drug, so it’s used to basically zonk people out.
Ahh thanks. I’d heard of it before Elon, but never really knew what it was used for.
As a Brit, hearing the disgusting way American law enforcement treats people is genuinely something I would only expect of 3rd world countries.
From a 3rd world country and visited several others. We are not savages.
Well yeah I wouldn’t even expect it in every 3rd world country.
I once heard a German call the US their favorite third world country, and that has never left me.
this is simply an extension of how y’all treat Neuro divergent people in hospitals and psych wards. I assume the fact that it happened in the open made people outraged compared to when it happens behind closed doors
I’m neurodivergent, too. I know what you’re talking about. I’ve seen how people get treated in hospitals and psych wards. I’ve seen some really nasty behavior from other paramedics. We’re sadly not a bunch of paladins; we’ve got a lot of washed up cop wannabes in our ranks for starters. There’s a lot to unpack here, and it’s deserving of criticism, but I don’t think I agree that’s what happened to Elijah.
obviously the main factor was cops and paramedics being racist against Black people but Black Neurodivergent people have way higher murder rates.
I don’t wish my initial comment to be interpreted wrong, people were rightly furious that a Black man was lynched.
I disagree with your initial statement that the lynchers were brought to justice as 2 of them escaped conviction
I’m specifically referring to the paramedics here. As I recall, they were both convicted. Are you talking about the cops, or the non-medical firefighters that were also present?
both of them got probation which is just a sick joke. if it were a Black man killing cops or paramedics he probably would’ve gotten a life sentence, if he survived the encounter
Oh, crap, I thought they got jail time
What a bullshit inflammatory comment.
How often is ketamine used? Isn’t there other better alternatives? I’m curious since from what I understand, K holing is really not enjoyable and it seems like quite an extreme sedative, almost bordering on torture. How often do paramedics use it over a year?
Just in case my tone comes off as accusatory, I’m genuinely curious. Thank you for doing such a tough job, I know it isn’t easy.
Well, it’s come into much more wide usage over the last five years as a non-opioid alternative for pain management and non-benzo sedative. For stuff like burns, I understand that it’s much more effective than opiates for pain management. As for how extreme it is, I suspect that that’s dose dependent. I’ve never administered it, as my service doesn’t carry it. Generally, EMS Medical Directors are overly conservative (imo) and usually won’t put stuff that’s SUPER dangerous out in the field, so I’d be pretty surprised if that were the case here. That is, we absolutely carry stuff that can kill you if we fuck up, but it’s usually stuff where it would have to be a pretty significant fuck up (as these guys did here), not “whoops I got the dose wrong by 0.001 mg”