Our legal process is filled with ways to make sure you get a fair trial, and even then not everyone does. This kangaroo court they’re setting up does not have any of those provisions and will not be fair. All it does is dissuade people from reporting.
So your alternative is, let’s not even try to have a court with evidence, let’s just have one kangoroo decide whose life gets ruined based on their prejudices.
Now if what you want is fairness, explain to me how the administration on these panels can be unbiased when their salaries and jobs rely on the fact that they’re not known as the “rape university”.
How is that not the current situation already? Also, since when this does not work the other way as well, not wanting to be known as “university that protects rapists”?
So both systems (current and previous) are horribly unfair and prone to abuse by the administration. Right? We now agree on that, yes?
If I have to pick between an unfair system with extra rape, or an unfair system with extra kids getting kicked out of school for no reason, I’m picking the one with less rape.
So both systems (current and previous) are horribly unfair and prone to abuse by the administration. Right? We now agree on that, yes?
Just because both systems are unfair does not mean one of them is not worse.
If I had to guess, I think we disagree on how much difference does having a lawyer present make. I believe the difference for victims is small. Making a rape victim slightly more uncomfortable compared to the current system and a rapist slightly more likely to go unpunished.
Many rape victims did not speak up even before this, because adding a lawyer is a drop in a bucket compared to everything else.
At the same time, the chance of expelling an innocent person goes down much more if you add the minimum protections of having someone speak up for the accused.
unfair system with extra kids getting kicked out of school for no reason
If the only consequence was being kicked out of their current school, I would agree with you. But being kicked out for SA will follow them. What other school will accept them? What employer will want to give a job to someone that they believe probably committed SA?
Sure, if they are a rich kid with a trust fund, expulsion probably does nothing to them anyway. Not having representation is going to screw over people who are vulnerable to begin with much more. People that are already unpopular. That the administration and others already have prejudice against.
But the biggest difference is not even this. Even if it was just a trolley problem with 3 people getting raped on one side and making one innocent person homeless on the other side (which I don’t believe is the real ratio), there is an important difference with a hypothetical. That one innocent person sees you pulling the lever. His friends see you pulling the lever. Every person who is worried about being in that place (being falsely accused) sees you pulling the lever.
The number of people who will accept being “sacrificed for the greater good” willingly is miniscule. Best case scenario, most will vote for literal Hitler as long as he promises not to “sacrifice them for the greater good”. Worst case scenario, the innocent person on the rails grabs a gun and “takes revenge” on the lever pullers and the society that enabled it.
Except the numbers prove my point. They go unreported before this change was made. There are clearly different reasons why they are not reported. Making the process unfair did not even work. It did not solve the issue.
So your alternative is, let’s not even try to have a court with evidence, let’s just have one kangoroo decide whose life gets ruined based on their prejudices.
How is that not the current situation already? Also, since when this does not work the other way as well, not wanting to be known as “university that protects rapists”?
Ok good. Almost there.
So both systems (current and previous) are horribly unfair and prone to abuse by the administration. Right? We now agree on that, yes?
If I have to pick between an unfair system with extra rape, or an unfair system with extra kids getting kicked out of school for no reason, I’m picking the one with less rape.
Just because both systems are unfair does not mean one of them is not worse.
If I had to guess, I think we disagree on how much difference does having a lawyer present make. I believe the difference for victims is small. Making a rape victim slightly more uncomfortable compared to the current system and a rapist slightly more likely to go unpunished.
Many rape victims did not speak up even before this, because adding a lawyer is a drop in a bucket compared to everything else.
At the same time, the chance of expelling an innocent person goes down much more if you add the minimum protections of having someone speak up for the accused.
If the only consequence was being kicked out of their current school, I would agree with you. But being kicked out for SA will follow them. What other school will accept them? What employer will want to give a job to someone that they believe probably committed SA?
Sure, if they are a rich kid with a trust fund, expulsion probably does nothing to them anyway. Not having representation is going to screw over people who are vulnerable to begin with much more. People that are already unpopular. That the administration and others already have prejudice against.
But the biggest difference is not even this. Even if it was just a trolley problem with 3 people getting raped on one side and making one innocent person homeless on the other side (which I don’t believe is the real ratio), there is an important difference with a hypothetical. That one innocent person sees you pulling the lever. His friends see you pulling the lever. Every person who is worried about being in that place (being falsely accused) sees you pulling the lever.
The number of people who will accept being “sacrificed for the greater good” willingly is miniscule. Best case scenario, most will vote for literal Hitler as long as he promises not to “sacrifice them for the greater good”. Worst case scenario, the innocent person on the rails grabs a gun and “takes revenge” on the lever pullers and the society that enabled it.
How many false rape accusations are there compared to unreported rapes?
One in five women have been sexually assaulted. Do you know five women? Have a mom and a couple sisters? At least one has been assaulted.
I disagree with you because I look at the actual numbers.
Except the numbers prove my point. They go unreported before this change was made. There are clearly different reasons why they are not reported. Making the process unfair did not even work. It did not solve the issue.