Absolutely no jokery allowed it seems XD
They believe because pooh is yellow in color they it aligns with racist stereotypes about Asians. They refuse to accept the origin of the meme was xi and Obama walking in a fashion just like pooh and Tigger.
But Obama is not a tiger, is not orange. The meme has nothing to do with yellow.
You got me curious about the origins of this. I’m pretty sure this image of Pooh and Tigger was made after the photo was taken, but it does seem to illustrate the point pretty well.
what is the tiger’s name?
The Wonderful thing about Tiggers is Tiggers are wonderful things tops are made out of rubber their bottoms are made out of springs Their bouncey, trouncey, ouncey, pouncey fun, fun, fun, fun, fun But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers is I’m the only one Tiggers are cuddily fellows Tiggers are awfully sweet everyone el’es is jealous That’s why I repeat and repeat The wonderful thing about Tiggers Is Tiggers are marvoulous chaps They’re loaded with vim and vigor they love to leap in your laps They’re jumpy, bumpy, clumpy, thumpy fun fun fun fun fun But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers Is I’m the only one I-I-I’m the only…-oof Ouch
Tigger. Yeah, real subtle, I know.
I mean, the main demographic is preschoolers. Not exactly famous for their grasp of subtlety.
Wow. Maybe you get the n-word pass as well as the yellowface pass then.
Chinese people didn’t twist that one cute meme of Obama & Xi into an endless stream of Xing Xong Xi Man Bad memes, Western chauvinists did.
Ah, Chinese people not using the meme to make fun of Xi must be why Xi banned it from Chinese websites. Must be all those western chauvinists that frequent Chinese websites.
Makes total sense. I gotchu.
Shut.
And the meme originates from China. Why would the Chinese be racist against themselves? It really makes zero sense.
.ml be like
If you say anything bad about China, you’re racist
If you say anything bad about Russia, you’re russophobic
If you say anything good about the US, you’re an imperialist
If you’re anti-authoritarian, you’re a brainwashed holocaust trivializing Joseph Goebbels following liberal. I wish that made any kind of sense whatsoever.
Dont forget the:
“If you are ethnic Chinese, and you say anything bad about China, you are being internalized racist, and a 汉奸 (Han-Traitor).”
🤣
And if you say anything bad about the US, you can be a mod or admin, and then learn the secret of Rule 1.
based
/s
Because… Rule 1! REEEEE!
Thanks for the context
At this point I’m kinda amazed we don’t do the Reddit thing of “Your account briefly browsed a part of the site that was rumored to be evil because of current events that you don’t even know anything about yet, so we permanently banned you and are adding you to a list of Far Right sympathizers”
And relieved, it’s too easy to become the “villain” nowadays, Cancel Culture would be fine if it didn’t have the same problem as the Death Penalty…
Too many innocents being judged guilty not by evidence, but by mob mentalities.
Welcome to the internet
have a look around
Would you like to see the news or any famous women’s feet?
Have a look around
I’m surprised it is only temporary. Looking at the mod log, getting a temp ban or a warning are the rarest forms of mod actions taken across all of Lemmy.
ML generally don’t do perma bans
woe, rule 1 upon ye
No bigotry.
The party defines bigotry as insinuation the party is not the saviour of the people.
Chinese companies exploit workers and China has a terrible record on workers rights, but the working class has the political power in China!
not bootlicking is counterrevolutionary!
Someone seriously needs to make a community called “Rule 1” that specifically calls their shit out.
It can either be a place to document the abusive admins on .ml (I say admins and not mods because it seems from the logs, the mods are powerless pawns that are overridden by the authoritarian admins all the time there)
Or it can be a parody community designed to illustrate the absurdity of admin abuse.
(I’ll help mod it if someone makes one, but I ain’t creating that shit. WAY too heady for me. lol)
“Authoritarian admins”???
That’s it, banned, Rule 1
- !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
- !fediverselore@lemmy.ca
- This one, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
- There’s surely way more places for people to post such content, like I see it on 196 a lot as well.
Also, while it is indeed the admins that mass ban people from communities that they’ve never even heard of across the entire instance, the mods are not entirely unknown to Lemmy users themselves. There are many famous stories, such as the one who told a user that he wanted to kill them, bc they posted a screenshot of two people kissing in some kind of dating game claiming that it was “triggering”. Those mods are protected by those admins. In turn, nobody else across the Fediverse is protected from either those mods or especially those admins.
This is their software, and we are on their platform, always remember.
I meant a community that specifically calls out the mystery surrounding their vague .ml “Rule 1” removals.
And while .ml is their domain to moderate how they chose, any other instance is feee to host a community that calls out their authoritarian rigidity.
They have domain over their own shithole of an instance- not any of the others. So it’s not their anything. Ad If they wanted that level of control over it- to be able to dictate what others can and can’t do outside of their prison, they should have emulated their authoritarian ideology and locked it down.
It’s too bad they underestimated the number of people capable of independent thinking.
Except that they also write the Lemmy sourcecode. Hence you can begin to understand why we cannot receive notifications about being banned or posts/comments removed, nor appeal via a modlog, nor be able to DM a mod bc you can’t even see who to talk to when the modlog simply says “mod”, nor if OP violates a rule somewhere - even on some other instance & community entirely - can others continue their discourse when OP’s post is summarily removed or then banned (on Reddit the link to the post is merely removed from the list of links shown in the community feed, but the post itself remains viable and people can finish their thoughts, unlike Lemmy where even after typing something all out you may literally not be allowed to hit Send), nor was it a priority to allow mods to see reports and thus be able to effectively moderate from another instance, thus freeing them somewhat from the control of a single admin, etc.
It’s not even a bad thing that I am saying - especially on their end: they develop the Lemmy codebase how they want it to be, bc it was their idea and they did practically all of the work. If we want different, then we would need to similarly put in the effort to create it (and before that, open our eyes to see clearly what is going on and where we might rather be heading instead). Many have already started, like K/Mbin, PieFed, Sublinks, Mastodon, Friendica, etc.
My point is, someone should make a community that specifically calls out their bullshit. It would be great to have a go-to source to throw at all the minions that cry foul when their authoritarian bullshit is called out in conversions where they claim .ml is mild in comparison to how other instances are modded.
.ml admins have no authority over what others say in other communities in other instances/ regardless of what they created.
I’d argue that a community named Rule 1 should also include non tanky instance mod/admin actions when they are egregiously bad.
Oh absolutely.
It’s a lame joke but I don’t see why it should be banned
Because it seems like a racist charicature, no?
No.
No it doesn’t.
We should be allowed to mock our leaders, especially the dictators
Of course I absolutely agree, that doesn’t mean forums should allow racist charicatures, however.
Why on earth would you assume i’m against that?
It’s not Racist.
You’re not processing reality
Is calling a chinese person yellow racist?
You making up your own narrative to get offended over.
Mocking the regime is what fedi is about. I surely don’t go easy on domestic daddy, it is silly to expect anyone to give sheepooh any more deference than I gave Biden or Trump.
These parasites deserve no respect from the wagies.
I’m fine with mocking the regime and encourage that completely, just not by calling chinese people yellow
they do deserve no respect
No. The Chinese people were specifically comparing Xi Jinping to Winnie The Pooh before the term was banned.
So? does it seem like one?
When you’re a moderator on a forum, do you investigate this and check everyones intent, or do you go, someone posted a yellow bear to represent a chinese person and that seems racist to me?
You can say it’s racist over and over, but that doesn’t make is true.
If only there was a way to actually see what the Winnie the Pooh thing is even referencing… Oh well, guess you’ll just have to keep lying instead.
If only there was a way to actually see what the Winnie the Pooh thing is even referencing… Oh well, guess you’ll just have to keep lying instead.
the joke is clearly that winnie the pooh is yellow and so is xi, haha very funny.
obviously racist.
if winnie the pooh wasn’t yellow I wouldn’t care about this at all.
The joke is that the dude straight up looks like Winnie the Pooh. As in his face and body shape.
The color of the cartoon bear was never even something that popped into my mind, because I’m not a fucking racist and I don’t see “yellow” to mean Asian.
I think it says a lot about you when you turn it into that…
Yeah, what it says about me is that i’ve seen enough racism against asians to recognize it and be against it.
What does it say about you that you don’t even recognize it, or care to fight against it?
No. It does not. This meme is well known and you’re either playing dumb or were living under a rock.
Blackface is well known, guess it isn’t racist.
Stop making things up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China
??? what did i make up?
he’s a yellow bear being paired with tigger, who was supposed to be obama.
Does that really not strike you as racist at all?
That article didn’t even say one word about my point.
Han people aren’t being racist against themselves. You making it up if anything is more racist. As if Chinese people can’t make a meme.
Do you believe it’s impossible for someone of a race to be or do something racist against themselves?
Honestly, even if you do, he’s yellow.
That’s all I need as a moderator to ban it, because it’s racist to call chinese people yellow.
What does the history even matter?
The notion that i’m implying chinese people are incapable of making memes is hilarious, you should self-reflect.
Get a better charicature that doesn’t seem racist. You’re just feeding tankies and making yourself look weird.
How?
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I could be corrected on this but as far as I’m aware, it’s not a caricature of Chinese people or Asian people, it’s specifically a caricature of Xi Jinping, one of the most powerful people in the world. In fact, on Forbes list in 2018, he is listed as the #1 most powerful person in the world.
So I don’t think it’s a question of race so much as a question of how far are we allowed to make fun of the most powerful people on the planet.
The charicature part is strictly about his race though.
would you be fine with a blackface of obama?
the joke seems to be entirely yellow squinty eyed bear looks like him
i’m fine with forums banning racial charicatures, even of people in power
none of his personality resembles pooh, it’s just his race, if anything he’s ruthlessly efficient
No. It’s. Not. About. His. Fucking. Race.
Dude looks like a cartoon character. The only person bringing up race and calling people “yellow” here is you.
I’m not calling anyone yellow, i’m saying calling people yellow is bad, and if your charicature for an asian person is yellow, that’s not a good idea.
You’re the racist here.
Ah, yes, the most racist of all takes
that we shouldn’t depict chinese people as yellow.
I’m gonna have to explain this out very simply: blackface has a long history going back more than a century before Obama was even born.
There do exist racist caricatures of Chinese people with squinty eyes. Pooh does not have the squinty eyes. Ive yet to see any evidence of Pooh being used as a racist caricature before Xi Jinping.
none of his personality resembles pooh, it’s just his race, if anything he’s ruthlessly efficient
I think you accidentally admitted the real issue: Pooh is silly, soft, and generally not that smart. Certain types of rulers need to be seen as strong, powerful, and perhaps even ruthless at all times.
The real offense is a possible degradation of his “strong man” image.
I’m gonna have to explain this out very simply: blackface has a long history going back more than a century before Obama was even born.
what does this have to do with anything
There do exist racist caricatures of Chinese people with squinty eyes. Pooh does not have the squinty eyes. Ive yet to see any evidence of Pooh being used as a racist caricature before Xi Jinping.
okay, he’s still yellow… and who cares if it was used before that or not? I genuinely have no idea what that has to do with anything
As a forum moderator, you see chinese person being a yellow bear, and tigger being obama… seems racist, better remove because it seems like a racist charicature.
None of the history of it matters at all in my eyes. I honestly and genuinely don’t see why it matters to you.
I think you accidentally admitted the real issue: Pooh is silly, soft, and generally not that smart. Certain types of rulers need to be seen as strong, powerful, and perhaps even ruthless at all times. The real offense is a possible degradation of his “strong man” image.
then make a charicature that makes fun of that and isn’t yellow, I would be fine with that
then make a charicature that makes fun of that and isn’t yellow, I would be fine with that
How would you feel about a white Pooh bear?
Weird, but for design reasons, I’d be COMPLETELY fine with making fun of Xi with that, if that had been the original design of winnie, though
It really just comes down to winnie being yellow, for me.
Not to split this but the real obvious parallel with Obama would be Tigger. I’m slightly surprised that didn’t come up, because it’s literally the same origin story.
Doesn’t the initial image being paired with Tigger strike you as odd?
Almost as if there’s two obviously racist things about the initial pairing?
Does it strike me as odd that there’s an illustration of Pooh and Tigger together, two characters that are friends in the same fictional world?
No, it doesn’t strike me as odd, can you explain that one to me? What’s the history of racism in the Hundred Acre Wood that predates some world leaders with possibly fragile egos? And why is all the attention always on the Pooh half and never on the Tigger half?
The odd part is using a yellow character for the asian and tigger for the black person… for the obvious slur reason.
None of it has to do with the history of the hundred acre woods.
because they are beholden to china… if you say anything bad about china, or anything that china officially bans, you get banned for racism against asians….
Banned for posting cringe.
You now understand correctly - you FAAFO on that instance. Best to steer clear of it.
People making racist “jokes” should be banned permanently tbh
Can you explain how the joke is racist?
I don’t buy the racist connection. This whole thing started on Chinese social media. Westerners didn’t start saying it until the CCP got butthurt and banned the character entirely.
I’ve always thought it meant xi jinping. One person. Is it because he happens to be Chinese that it becomes racist?
It is just him. According to the tankies it’s racist because Winnie the Pooh is yellow.
I feel like the tankies are being racist here. If I want to paint xi jinping, reaching for the yellow pigment doesn’t make me racist. Likewise, matching Pooh to Jinpings individual’s characteristics is the same concept.
It’s just being offended for the Chinese people, with no regard to what the Chinese people actually think. Typical.
