• Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    In phase 3 clinical trials by the drugmaker, researchers looked at how well the drug worked after surgery. Patients who had undergone either tummy tucks or bunion surgery were given either suzetrigine every 12 hours; an opioid, hydrocodone, plus Tylenol every six hours; or a placebo for 48 hours after the operations.

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    The dose of hydrocodone was also smaller than what is typically given after surgery, “so it’s hard to know exactly what to make of the results,” Rind said.

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    I’m not saying this is 100% what it is, but if I wanted to make a less effective drug look more effective, then comparing its performance to a smaller than normal dose of an approved drug would be one way to do it.

    If it’s actually effective then that’s great, there are people that need non-opiate alternatives. My worry is that it’s not and this is going to wind up being another way patients in acute pain get told to suck it up and deal by their doctors.

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      so it’s hard to know exactly what to make of the results

      Sounds like someone desperately trying to not ruin future grant chances by saying “this trial is absolutely worthless”…

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      They seriously gave people a placebo for pain after surgery? That sounds horrible.

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      The placebo control is key, and it was at least statistically better than placebo.

      You’re right that it’s hard to tell if it is more or less effective than hydrocodone+acetaminophen but it’s good news either way because it can potentially reduce the use of opioids and be another option.

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    10000% there are side effects that they know about and will hide. I’m willing to place my honor as a gentleman on the line.

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      History and the motivation to make money say you’re spot on. Despite that, I’m still happy to be opening up new pathways for pain reduction. I’m hoping for the best for this and other options.

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    I have chronic pain and I’m all for innovation in the realm of pain management, but I personally won’t even think about taking that drug for many, many years. Fucking with sodium channels sounds super dangerous. There are so many variables they just could not have tested or even guessed at. It also doesn’t help that if there’s an adverse reaction to be had, I’m gonna have it.

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      It targets a sodium channel that only exists in pain neurons, called NAV1.8, or SCN10A. It’s not found elsewhere in the body. The whole reason this research is exciting is because it would be so specific it wouldn’t have the side effects seen with opioids or any anesthetic for that matter—central depression, which is what causes your breathing to stop.

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        It is very interesting and amazing stuff, no doubt about that. The future of medicine is only going to get more amazing, but I suppose I just really have very little confidence in that space because of a lack of understanding in oddball humans like myself who have somewhat bizarre physiology. For the vast majority of people, I think having a pain medication that doesn’t also slowly kill you is obviously a net positive.

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      I’m with you. A good 5+ year lag after FDA approval is a good idea if that’s an option. That being said, the FDA is generally good with drug safety and these studies look good.

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        I definitely look forward to a future where I might not have to consume NSAIDS like candy anymore, because those are definitely doing some real damage.

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        FDA is generally good with drug safety

        Just you wait until RFK Jr is all up in that FDA pipeline. You think the brain worm controlling his corpse is going to just sit at the head of HHS and not try to force changes wherever he can remotely pry?