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The problem of platforms when they become big. Just like cyber criminals lurk on systems used by the mass to exploit. Things can be used for good and for bad. And its often the small portion of bad that ruins it for large majority. Just like the few football hooligans that screw things up for the rest.
Bad intend or behavior is just hard to manage in a free online world. If Elon is hated then Adrian will take over…
I remember there was a time on the internet where “Don’t feed the trolls” and “True story, read it on the internet” was a thing. Would be nice if they were a thing again. Even in this thread, obvious trolls are being engaged and motivated to spew their filth.
The tragic irony of boomers is they told all their kids “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” and then failed to internalize the lesson for themselves.
This applies to any age group though so I don’t understand why you are pointing the finger in a particular direction. It’s not really helpful or insightful in the context of the thread.
Because they were the generation teaching the first group of kids growing up with the internet and they were actually very right to tell us that. Their role is unique. The generation matters. There’s your insight.
Well by that logic of age then gen X too. There’s a bit more insight for you.
No. Gen X weren’t parents until the internet was more or less in every household already and they aren’t as prone to misinformation as boomers (though certainly not immune).
Gen x absolutely were parents at the beginning of the internet. The earlier gen X were in their 20’s when the world wide web was demonstrated so were the parents of the first children who were born into it.
The oldest gen X were 30 by 1995. The vast majority were not even old enough to be parents. By 2000 the oldest were 35 the youngest 20.
I thought I was smelling some more of that over there lately.
Gross
It’s an information war like Hilary Clinton said.
The link goes to a site created less than two months ago kyivinsider. The source is from Alliance4europe.This is part of the DISARM Foundation, also know for AMITT (Adversarial Misinformation and Influence Tactics and Techniques) framework.
That one belongs to the Credibility Coalition, and that one to Meedan. A San Francisco based organization funded by the US National Science Foundation and many organizations like Meta, Amazon, etc.
The Russians are amateurs at propaganda in comparison to the US.
Propagandan is one of Kremlin’s biggest tools, and it has been since the wall went up and it certainly never stopped when it came down.
Over time it has become the cheapest way for them for sow discord and infighting between their adversaries. Moving it online made it even cheaper and they’ve been at it hard the past decade or two.
Obviously the US have their own operations, but your point is not correct in any way. Look at what they’ve accomplished. The world is in chaos and they’re largely responsible for a lot or even most of it, depending on how you look at the big picture.
I didn’t express that last part correctly. I meant that it was probably a single guy making those bots. A lot more effective that multiple funders, agencies, organizations and private companies working on “democracy” and “transparency”.
As for the fault. The trouble started with a coup in 2014. Then internal conflict and then Russia entered differently with war. At every step of the conflict you have the US behind. The coup to put a US puppet, arming them, blowing up Russian infrastructure, and using other countries to block Russian gas in favor of more expensive American gas. Russia has made clear they don’t tolerate NATO in Ukraine. It is as logical as Russia putting military bases in Canada or Mexico.
I love how this post makes a bunch of claims, and yet provides zero sources, and thus, has absolutely zero value.
It’s digital noise, spam at best, evil misinformation at worst.
It took time to look that up. The link doesn’t even have an about page. And an IP search shows it is a new site. From there the actual source site (German) you follow back the about pages back to the original sources. There is no need to for a bunch of links. Anyone can verify.
Can they not just block these? I get that this is a never ending battle against troll farms and the like, but is BSky already falling to the “more engagement is better and we don’t care if it’s nefarious engagement” trap already?
There are many useful blocklists. But the average user isn’t informed enough to seek them.
I mean for the service to block them or eliminate the troll accounts. Not for the user to do so.
Idiots don’t fact-check, and now we all pay the price. We can leave Twitter, Bluesky, Reddit, whatever—but nothing can stops them anymore.
Keep in mind that state propaganda doesn’t equate misinformation. This very article is western state propaganda (“kyivinsider” using “alliance4europe” as a source for the article), and the report is most likely true. You don’t need to strictly lie or misinform to create state propaganda, you just need to propagate your talking points and direct the public discourse to given topics. We’re very concerned about Russian propaganda (and rightfully so) but, fuck, we’ve been literally supporting a genocide and all the state propaganda from our own western countries was directing ourselves in other direction, maybe we should worry about that too. We’re literally consuming state propaganda right now in this article.
The fucking Russian shills cried on Reddit resulting in permanent bans. They will be here soon enough.
It’s always been there, it’s easier to moderate them out than it is on the alternatives. Would rather still be on bsky/mastodon than whatever the fuck.
That’s how you know you’ve made it in social media
“Being infiltrated by Russian bots” is the new “being bought out by Big Tech”, I guess
Man, there’s like no day I don’t see another high quality version of this meme on Lemmy.
How many different upscaled versions do you people have exactly?
This is fuckin’ special, background cut out 16k ultra HD
I have another that I ran through a 16x upscaling model but nothing has called for a 12k x 10k pikachu yet
What about vector pikachu?
yet…
I wonder if they’ll ever notice this place. Like. Before a big election or something.
You are commenting in a post linking to “kyivinsider”, whose article sources its information from “alliance4europe”, this is literally state propaganda. I don’t mean to say it’s disinformation because the content of the article is probably true, but this is evidence that state propaganda is already rampant in Lemmy and we should be aware of it.
Notice this place? Lemmy?
The place made because "Fuck the white supremacist Reddit admins, want me to set up a self hosted one for /r/communism?"That place?
That’s the one!
Well. Sort of.
I swear they’re already here. We got a couple stubborn conservative plants doing nothing but posting disinfo day in and day out. The mods of !conservative@lemmy.world are particularly sus.
LMAO, what a sub… I don’t what I expected going in, but it certainly wasnt a crypto scam as the first post. More like conservative @ my ass
That’s basically what the ml and hexbear instances seem to be. Or at least there’s a lot of them there.
The nuclear block makes it a fools errand
I very much love the Bluesky block. Admittedly I am not there much, but still.
At least this anti-Ukrainian spam seems to get flagged as such in my polish corner of Bluesky. Wondering how long that will last and if we’ll see Jack Dorsey doing fascist salutes on stage too.
As far as I know, Jack Dorsey left Bluesky almost a year ago: https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-bluesky-twiiter-nostr-interview-2024-5
His interview on the topic: https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana
I have to somewhat agree with him that Bluesky is still very much susceptible to turning into Twitter all over again. Right now, it definitely feels like Twitter in its infancy but with all the modern QoL features we expect to have nowadays. Which is nice, of course. Twitter didn’t used to be such a toxic shithole of bots and disinformation, it used to be a powerful communication tool for activism and journalists covering rapidly evolving events live.
However, the endgame of such platforms is inevitable. Higher user saturation means higher operating costs, which then usually means the company has a higher reliance on advertising, which then leads to more algorithms and data mining for targeted ads, which then leads to easier mass political manipulation campaigns.
I’m not sure if it’s actually possible to attract mass audience without an algorithm driven model. Mastodon tried and it’s had some moderate success, but because it’s completely devoid of algorithms, users have a harder time discovering people/accounts/mindless entertainment. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Bluesky took off so much faster.
Mastodon tried and it’s had some moderate success, but because it’s completely devoid of algorithms, users have a harder time discovering people/accounts/mindless entertainment. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why Bluesky took off so much faster.
I’m sure that’s a factor, but I can think of another reason. Decision paralysis when picking instances and frontends has been cited quite often as a substantial hurdle.
Sure, I can definitely see that as an issue for Lemmy especially. I haven’t used Mastodon in awhile (microblog format doesn’t really appeal to me outside of when I’m looking for sales), but I had thought that the main mobile app defaulted to the biggest instance there. Is that not the case?
apparently, after a recent thread on lemmy and some reading, dorsey left bluesky some time ago
He quit and Mike Masnick, of Techdirt fame, replaced him which is a good upgrade.
Unfortunately, they still have Aaron Rodericks on trust and safety, who’s cozy with Singal.
And what’s the problem with liking Signal?
Wouldn’t want to be getting any criticism in your feed of an authoritarian far-right dictatorship, now would we? Can’t have these tankies calling for elections or banning Nazi symbols!
It’s funny that I can interpret this in every way possible. Yes, I prefer to be able to be critical of US or Russia on my social media without getting downranked. Yes, I’m for free elections in Belarus. I’d be for banning nazi symbols but they’re banned where I live already.
Haven’t you heard? When Ukrainians declare themselves Nazis, cover themselves in Nazi patches, and refuse to hold elections, it’s “complicated” and we’re not allowed to talk about it.
Yes, and because there are Nazis in their army and refuse to hold elections in a war-thorn country, they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families, and beaten and raped until they forget that ugly Russian dialect some dare to call “the Ukrainian language”.🤡
they all deserve to either be killed with the pretense of being nazis, being their children kidnapped and given to Russian families
Russia is the only side that has set “status quo conditions” for avoiding war. West+Ukraine chose this war. That orphanages in Crimea were evacuated to “safety”, and included a few ethnic Ukrainian children is not the “horror” it’s hyped to be.
It’s fair to blame the side fighting for nazification and nato for the war.
Ukraine “choose” the war by not wanting to be a Russian satellite state anymore.
No. Killing ethnic Russians for 8 years, and not implementing the autonomy agreements, chose the war. Ukraine can peacefully join EU or have greater EU trade.
Do you believe this to be a reasoned response to my concern about real, self-identified Nazis empowered by the US? Do you think that countering Nazi criticism with reflexive projection of genocidal intent is helping your case?
I can count quite a few people, who have similar concerns about Palestinians, yet here we are…
Yes, I believe you can count zionists, and that you reflexively defend fascists there as well.
Unfortunately every countries military has nationalistic fascists, some of which use Nazi iconography to display their “pride”. I could find the 1940 Swedish general election (not at war), 1942 Icelandic parliamentary election (occupied by USA), 1943 & 1944 Irish general elections (not at war) as the elections held between Sep 1939 & Sep 1945, the other democratic European country’s I reviewed, elections were either postponed or went uncontested.
Is every country erecting monuments to or naming streets after famous Nazis?
Oh look. It’s the countries arming these Nazis. What a weird coincidence.
it is normal because the platform is growing and then BSKY public blocklist will be bigger to counter this.
“Thank you, AI !”
P.S. If Russians will be in Nurnberg court they will say something like “it’s not our fault, it’s putin’s fault.”
First of all, however shitty Russian regime is (you have no idea how I hate that crap), by the amount of crimes committed lately it’s not worse than Turkey or Israel, or a certain superpower backing them. So if it is in that court, and those others are not, the fact alone will be ironic enough.
this community is a psy op :P hang in there
Hey bud, lemmy help you out. I think you’ve ended up on the wrong instance with your account. I think lemmy.ml should be your bee’s knees.
You think wrong.
Thank you for clearing that up lmao
I’m getting tired of this ‘whataboutism’.
It’s the same ‘third world’ logic: “look, there is also shitty countries around us in the world. So it’s ok if our country and we, like the people, are the same: with bad quality of education, without freedom, bad quality of life, living in fascist criminal state, illegally annexing territories, killing civilians, not respecting each other’s boundaries (because we are “collectivists” and not individualists, who care about themselves. It’s always ok to die for our dictator-criminal), we steal each other’s things, etc. And it’s definitely ok to change nothing. And it’s definitely ok to act like barbarians and then not to take personal responsibility for your own actions.”
It’s YOUR country and we are talking about YOUR country and no one else. Don’t look at others. Do not normalize that.
It’s YOUR country and we are talking about YOUR country and no one else. Don’t look at others. Do not normalize that.
I don’t care what you are talking about. It’s pretty normal that you think you have the moral high ground. It’s also pretty normal that in fact you don’t.
The rest of your comment is your imagination, having nothing to do with what I said.
I said that if, say, WWII didn’t happen (something like Man in the High Castle, but moderate version), but some kind of Nuremberg trials did happen, with, say, Dolfuss and Mussolini and their crowd, but not Nazis as the accused, - that would be the correct analogy to Russia being accused in such a tribunal and half the US allies not.
That’s truth whether you like it or not. And you are not on the side of any freedom or rules-based order too, you are on the side that bombed Gaza for a year, and the genocidal (for real and not like Russia) Turkish state, and Saudi Arabia, and Gulf Arab monarchies.
