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    3 days ago

    Those international waters are very narrow and have been a thorn in the side of Russia forever.

    They invaded Ukraine to get access to the Mediterranean through the Black Sea and Turkey because they have no current way of getting Naval ships to European shores without circumventing the globe or sailing through the narrow stretches of the ocean that NATO is capable of blockading.

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      3 days ago

      Those international waters are very narrow and have been a thorn in the side of Russia forever.

      The narrowest passage between Iceland and other NATO member is 800km wide with paths that have no international rights for jurisdiction/interdiction.

      Crimea has better ports, but Russia still had Black Sea border without it, and had a lease for port prior to the nearly unanimous referendum to abandon a Ukraine made to hate the vast majority of Crimeans. Crimea was a gift to Ukraine in 1957, people still alive, and there was little to no ethnic Ukrainian migration to the area.

      At any rate, Turkey can permit access to Africa/ME. Other NATO members can only stop trade with themselves, with Spain preventing access to Atlantic.

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        3 days ago

        It’s half that distance to the Faroe Islands, meaning NATO only has to control half that distance, which is well within the range of land-based anti-ship defenses.

        Whereas free Russian movement along Greenland’s coast would be protected if it was under the control of a Putin-friendly US. They’d be even safer going through Bafin Bay to the West of Greenland. Od course that would only happen if Canada also left NATO.

        And on a completely unrelated note, Trump is also trying to get Canada to become a US territory.

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          Whereas free Russian movement along Greenland’s coast would be protected if it was under the control of a Putin-friendly US

          First, you need to stop with Putin friendly US fantasies. But doing so would make Putin friend EU much faster. The reason to for a Putin friendly US is entirely to diminish/colonize Europe even more than Biden did.

          A Putin friendly US still doesn’t need Greenland. EU oppression exists without Putin friendliness. EU is not to be permitted to block Russian trade with US, with US-Russia alliance. Greenland for US has absolutely zero benefits to Russia in a normal world. Only to better threaten EU with missiles and aircraft.

          The US simply wants to move away from wars it cannot win, towards easy wars. Including vast gains on an already subservient EU. Rather than framing the world in Putin Derangement Syndrome, EU needs to focus on the direct enemy actions of US towards it. Those who advocate for increased subjugation as desperate measures to appease an enemy should be shut down. Russia never wanted to be EU’s enemy, and EU needs to wake up as to who its real enemies are.

          Trump is also trying to get Canada to become a US territory.

          Directly hateful to Canada. Picking a war US can win without fighting. Europe is next. You need to stop right there instead of framing your thinking around the idiocy of escalating war on Russia or China or Iran as “any part whatsoever towards a solution that frees you from US aggression”.

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            2 days ago

            Russia has invaded 2 separate soverign states in Europe for the purpose of annexation into Russia within a 15-year span. The only thing stopping them from pulling more of that bullshit is NATO. Dismantling NATO - an alliance composed specifically to stop Russian annexation of neighbor states - is Putin’s number 1 international goal.

            Trump is his number 1 tool in that mission right now.

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              Not sure what your other country reference is, but all lies that US did not capture Ukraine in coup to provoke this war that it wants is disinformation. US wanted this war, and Russia never did. That Trump doesn’t want to continue the war because it is losing is neither a good reason to want to continue it yourself, to imagine that US is now pro Russia, or that you must beg US to stay your “friend”.

              NATO - an alliance composed specifically to stop Russian annexation of neighbor states

              There is no such NATO mission. Only to protect alliance members. That it has unofficially become an antagonist evil with desires to diminish Russia, does not make that its mission. Coups over former CIS states was never mission. Just demonism.

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                2 days ago

                Are you really pretending Russia didn’t invade Georgia?

                It’s literally an alliance formed during the Cold War to prevent Russian expansion. Otherwise, Russia would have been invited to join NATO decades ago.

                And to say ownership of the most-strategically located nation in the North Atlantic is unimportant to the North Atlantic Treaty is laughable. But you clearly know all of this. You’re trying to influence others to believe Russian propaganda.

                Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia invaded Georgia. Russia invaded Afghanistan.

                You know who they haven’t invaded they’d lusted after for decades? Turkey. But Turkey is a NATO member, so Russia can’t do shit without.

                In fact, there’s a wall between Russia and the West of Europe formed by states that have not been invaded by Russia in the last 60 years, and that wall is comprised almost entirely of NATO members.