I don’t expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I’m just being conspiratorial, but here goes:
I banned jordanlund@lemmy.world from !transgender@lemmy.blahajzone earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)
one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:
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the reason I put down was ‘trolling about neopronouns’ I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.
Shortly after that I got banned from news@lemmy.world for ‘trolling’. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
The .world thread in question (link)
I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:
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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you’re welcome to disagree with.
I don’t view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they’re on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I’m not trolling.
People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.
I don’t have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.
Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
Yeah jordanlund do be doing that.
Yeah that tracks. Jordan’s one of the worst mods on here.
You shouldn’t use your mod account to post political hot-takes. Create another account to do that with unless you think it represents and promotes the community you moderate.
I disagree; This isn’t LinkedIn, where you’re expected to keep a crisp and clean public-facing account. If a mod is a bastard, I’d prefer they at least have the guts to be a bastard publicly instead of hiding behind alts. Show me who is actually moderating communities.
I can take that criticism, I can be quick to throw out a hot take. Though I’m not sure that obfuscation of political leanings of moderators is necessarily a good thing.
If anything it seems like it would be better for transparency to know who’s potentially censoring speech and what their opinions are, especially when something as simple as like “being trans” gets considered “political” by people.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there? They cooperate with one another, so if you cross one you cross both.
But yeah, doesn’t surprise me. Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
That stuff was wild
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there?
One will bait, then other will ban to maintain the image of propriety
No, he is not.
PTB. Throwing a fit because you pointed out their blatant transphobia
Why are people so mad about someone using “drag” as a pronoun?
Is it hurting drag? No. Is it hurting anyone else? No.
I have also seen people say drag is a troll. I cant confirm nor deny that since i have only seen a couple of drags comments, but most people who have said something bad about dragonrider talk about the pronouns, not the person
They’re just dumbass transphobes. It’s not that complicated.
They just mask how much trans people make them feel “icky” by targeting normalized people, and masking it as “I’m just telling a troll to fuck off.”
If you don’t like Drag, just block Drag. Don’t announce it, just block and move on.
“But drag isn’t a pronoun!!” Who cares? How does it impact you?
“I identify as a dragon fucker” feels a lot like “I identify as an attack helicopter.”
To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
Just something else I found recently
Oh that is interesting information, thank you!
Oh that would explain a lot lol
World is an absolute cancer on Lemmy, its filled with ShitLibs who hold on to their Reddit mentality. If Blahaj defederated from world absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
Honestly .world seems to be turning into the same shit that reddit was except even more hypocritical cause they “arent reddit” is there a tool I can use to migrate my account?
You shouldn’t judge an entire group of people, by the tag on their names.
No, you should judge them based on their political opinions and lack of empathy. And as it just so happens, .world is full of shitlibs.
Who exactly? I will judge them with you!
Well, start with Jordan, since this post is about him. Won’t be hard to find all about him, he’s been mentioned in this community more times than anyone except perhaps FlyingSquid.
A recent example about lack of empathy
Valid point, but yours is so cool it’s hard not to notice it 😄
😂
Every other instance should defederate from .world. Neoliberal fascism is no better than regular fascism.
This is the correct answer.
Since when are they neoliberal? I encounter more bleeding heart progressives on that instance than anywhere else. Sorry they don’t pass your purity test but they sure as fuck hate fascists.
Edit: ohhhh haha, I just checked your instance. Yea no wonder they aren’t leftie enough for you, go home tankie 👋
Yeah. Why voluntarily get the worst part of reddit moderation?
If neoliberals being banned is the worst part of Reddit to you, then you probably need banned too.
I think we’re talking past each other or something. I was meaning that LemmyWorld is a shitty, reddit style, censorship regime. Not that neolibs getting banned is bad.
I personally call them Fascism Lite™
Diet Fascism.
The issue they control some key subs, but yeah I think there is enough evidence that mods on key subs are malicious actors that are working against the fedi thesis
I used to think neo-pronouns are kinda silly, and I guess I still kinda do. But there’s no skin off my back to address people in a way that they don’t find hurtful. If people tell me my actions are hurtful to them, I try and take them at face value so long as doing so wouldn’t be hurtful to others or myself. Seems like basic conscientiousness to me.
PTB. You did nothing wrong here.
I just want to add that it seems to me that about 90% of people accused of trolling on here do not themselves think they are trolling. Something to ponder.
Everybody is the good guy in their own story.
I think this is a related factor but not quite what I’m getting at here.
My understanding of trolling is that it is a deliberate attempt to trigger negative emotional responses and cause trouble. So users should have a good sense of whether they are or are not engaged in trolling.
So either:
A: They are lying about their intentions. B: The community and mods are ascribing ill intentions where there are none. Or C: Different people are using conflicting definitions of trolling.
While A might seem the obvious answer, I think it’s actually far less common than people think. When I go through the histories of people accused of trolling I rarely see clear evidence of it. It’s usually just a person who has a tendency to respond angrily to people they disagree with, or who has a particularly strong disagreement with the community on a particular issue that they feel passionately about.
So I usually chock these cases up to B, and I think this case is a pretty clear example. However I’d also be curious to know if C is at play here, so if you think there is another definition of trolling that differs from mine, please share it.
I mean, further looking and it’s almost certainly B. I think people like to ascribe ill-intent when they just knee-jerk to disagreement. “Trolling” here was absolutely the wrong choice of verbiage.
Trolling is generally pretext to censor content and or tone of speech
I rarely see trolling here tbh maybe dragon fucker but he is so committed to it, whatever
Really unsurprising considering it involved Israel. News mods usually bend over backwards like the r/worldnews to remove anything slightly critical. Especially when it’s calling out hasbara
Neo lib regime removed do be like that
PTB. I think you are correct in both cases.
I was the one that submitted the ban, after a number of reports. On the face of it (I am at work, so don’t always have time to deep dive), The reports did seem to align with trolling.
I had/have no idea what’s going on withe the Jordan Lund thing.
For what it’s worth I thought I was being respectful in my dissent, I was even keeping my comments to the one thread and not attempting to insult anyone. I’m entirely open to this just being coincidence.
Fair point. I’ll restore the comments and remove the ban
thank you! sorry to raise a stink, I appreciate the quick response!
Caught me on my lunch break, and this is a community I love lurking in.
Thanks!
