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  • Really? That’s how things play out in reality for sure, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be calling for anything less than a complete abolition of animal exploitation and cruelty. But let’s try it with some social movement that’s often discussed on Lemmy to be sure. Do you think this is a good take:

    “You shouldn’t call for an end to the genocide in Gaza, that’s unrealistic. Just stick to ‘Israel should try and kill fewer Palestinians.’ Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.”

    The problem of advocating for half measures is that you don’t properly communicate that the behavior in question is unacceptable. It sends a mixed message: “It’s bad and you shouldn’t do it, but it’s still OK to do a little.”





  • I don’t mean to equate anything here, but do you think that would have been an effective strategy for social change in other movements?

    Like: “What if we just did a little slavery? It’ll be much easier to convince slave owners to give up slavery if they got used to having just a few slaves.”

    Do you think that would have been an effective strategy instead of calling for complete abolition?

    Once again, I’m not trying to draw a comparison here, you could substitute any past social movement, but the logical structure should hold regardless.







  • I’d have to ask, what do you mean when you say the “cost […] of animal welfare”?

    I agree the chart is unrealistic, but perhaps for subtly different reasons.

    Surely there are some who would be happy to put a pricetag on the suffering of others, but on principle, I think such thinking should be avoided by vegans, regardless of if other people are comfortable doing so.


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    What’s the cost of an animal’s life, human or otherwise?

    I recognize you’re trying to add in externalities that haven’t been included, but determining a cost of life links it to some sort of utility, which I don’t think it should be. Sentient lives should never be treated as a means.