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Okay but eggs and honey are valid questions.
Chickens are gonna lay eggs regardless and bees are gonna make honey regardless.
As long as your not going out of your way to hurt the animals while collecting eggs/honey, what’s the problem?
Chickens and bees are making eggs and honey for them, not for humans.
Yeah but bees always make more than they need and the humans can leave them plenty of honey to survive winter
And with eggs the eggs don’t come out fertilized. Your not killing a baby chicken every time you eat an egg. And it’s not like the chicken is gonna do anything with the egg. At most they’ll either leave it so another animal comes and eats it or they eat it themselves cause chickens are gluttonous little bastards.
I’m not even trying to argue just to troll you or anything it’s legitimately confusing. The chicken doesn’t create the egg for any reason other than potential procreation. They’ll produce eggs even when no males are around to fertilize them. They’ll drop an egg and then promptly fuck off like it never even happened.
Yeah but bees always make more than they need and the humans can leave them plenty of honey to survive winter
What gives us the right to exploit them because they’re good workers?
Your not killing a baby chicken every time you eat an egg.
While this could be argued there is nuance to this. Do you know what happens to the male chickens in egg slavery yards? Many baby chickens are killed in the production of said egg.
The point is animals are not to be manipulated for our benefit. Do you think a chicken crammed in a cage unable to ever spread its wings for its entire life is happy you’re eating her extra eggs?
And just so you know;
How did the egg laying chickens come into existence? Where are all the roosters? What happens when they get too old to lay? How many eggs do their ancestors lay, are there health problems associated with the difference?
What creatures do the honey bees starve out? Are bee farms hotbeds of disease? How are sick hives treated? Do bees defend their honey? What are the bees fed instead?
My favourite is all the people who eat vaguely with some idea of what a healthy and balanced diet looks like, who never track intakes and eat solely based on vibes suddenly breaking out concerns about nutrition.
We eat 80% the same shit except I have to cook more from scratch and replace meat centric foods with legume/lentils centric foods. There is no essential nutrient found solely in pork chops…
And if you offer them something they act like you’re going to feed them a plate of crickets. No Becky peanut butter sandwiches are vegan.
I always get “I barely eat any meat.”
My dude, if you need to make a confession, see a priest, or a shrink.
I get that a lot too. I’m not gonna pat you on the back for it any more than I’ll pat someone on the back for barely ever watching dog fights
“I only eat cheese and bacon”. Really does that make rape and murder better?
No, but letting perfect be the enemy of improvement is counter productive. Maybe that’s a chance to introduce someone to some recipes that could scratch the itch that cheese and bacon do, or connect with them and potentially form a bridge for them to walk instead of meeting them with open hostility?
Depends. Can I still accuse them of raping and murdering?
You can do whatever you want, but if you actually care about animals you will have actual discussions with people instead of burning bridges and going on the internet to brag about it
The one that annoys me is: but things get killed farming plants, too.
Oh yes I heard a lecture about field mice and tractors in the beginning and then this person blocked me. I cannot keep everything on earth from dying, but I can make sure I’m not actively causing harm as much as I can.
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