What do you mean by “we”?
Yeah but what if I just went to a country where people are happy and help each other instead of this shithole hellscape that the US has become?
It’s save-able, sure. The hard part is convincing anyone that it’s still worth saving.
Maybe so, but the last time this happened, it took both World Wars and the Great Depression to pull us out of the Gilded Age.
It’s gonna get reeeeeeeeal fuckin’ dicey over the next 30 years or so.
A useful reminder.
Yeah but that entirely depends on the rest of the country supporting us, which isn’t the case. Everyone else seems to want xenophobia.
Support isn’t binary, and it’s something you can build and increase
Fights like this aren’t fully won or lost on short term time scales
I’ve been voting for 25 years and my side has lost a lot more than they won.
Get outta here with your timescales. Americans are racist idiots and I can’t change that.
Keep in mind that as we look at things now, many of Republicans policies are deeply unpopular even among many Republican voters. For instance, Project 2025 has only a 4% approval rating, 57% disapproval
There is a disconnect between what people think they are voting for and what they are actually voting for. It’s a launching off point to change things from. Many people really did think he would lower prices. If Trump goes through with plans on steep Tarrifs their support will hardly be so vocal for him
Look at Bush 2004 to - economy crashing - and then Obama 2008
Lets also look at other areas that we tend to think of as linear forms of progress that really weren’t - like the civil rights era. There were serious regressions during Jim Crow and things took a long time to get better, but the leaders who made progress didn’t give up and were able to get a lot through
The Plessy v Ferguson ruling was in the 1896. The NAACP started going after different underpinnings of it piece by piece in the 1930s. It took until the 1950s for them to start getting serious wins undermining the Plessy ruling - suggesting that it could fully be overturned which it was in 1954
I’m too old to wait for the rest of my country to come to its goddamn senses.
I dont think think that Americans are racist, I think the problem is that Democrat’s pitch was “we’ll uphold the system that failed you”, while Trump’s was " I’m going to destroy it".
After pelosi won by scheming against AOC, and from her hospital bed, that was the final nail in the coffin. Theres no future for this party, they are now just a diluted republican party.
America is a country built by racism. Slavery and genocide are massive parts of our history. Always have been.
Humans are terrible. Americans are the worst of us.
You might be right but why would you want others to die on the inside as well
Maybe they’ll give up on electoral politics and take up direct action like Luigi.
Fuck yeah.
Speaking of which, if you’ve got an hour, have a look at this:
Heather Cox Richardson – Politics Chat: January 14, 2025
She puts a lot of emphasis on the fighting back part, with ideas as to how.
Is it guns?
It should be guns.
No, but she does advocate directly contacting Republicans to vent your anger and frustration at them, vs. scapegoating Democrats, since they have less control at the moment over what might happen.
Yeah, that will work for sure. Famously interested in the concerns of the regular Joe, Republican leadership.
I get your point, but she’s referring to a critical mass of people.
It matters more than you might think even if Republicans generally don’t care about the average person. For instance, in 2023 due to push-back there ended up being enough republican support (~100) to get the 2/3 needed to expel George Santos despite republicans having a super slim majority in the house
Or they already dropped Matt Gatez as their AG pick because of the push back from Republicans in the senate
It matters especially on the house side this time as well where they started with a three seat majorities and will be at 1 seat majority until special elections in April. Only a handful of republican defections is enough to kill a bill
