Yes, both Republicans and Democrats are exactly the same, except that one of the two parties wants to have a version of Christianity be the state-sponsored religion, not allow women to have rights to their own body, eliminate all regulations on corporations, destroy environmental protections of every kind, eliminate all rights for LGBTQ+ people, eliminate marriage equality across the board (incl. Loving v. VA!), prevent workers from unionizing or otherwise eliminating the rights of labor, ban books and criminally punish media sources that don’t align with their beliefs, eliminate progressive income taxation in favor of regressive sales taxes and tariffs, prevent people from protesting peacefully for the regress of grievances… But you know, other than those minor points, sure, they’re exactly the same.
Do I love Democrats? No, absolutely not. I think that they should be quite a bit more forceful in pushing things that genuinely benefit the majority of people in the US, I think they should be working strongly against regulatory capture, and against the entrenched interests of major businesses that are harmful to the people, and I’m ashamed that they are largely not willing to condemn Israel for the overt genocide against the Palestinian people while also wanting to punish people that have advocated for Palestinians. (And as far as the last one goes, there are a lot of reasons that establishment Dems are unwilling to work against Israel; for most Republicans, that particular issue boils down to religion, specifically an evangelical belief that a Jewish state must exist in order for Christ to return.)
…But anyone who says that "Republicans and Democrats are the same" is, at best, disingenuous, and at worst actively and intentionally lying.
American here. I have gay and trans friends. They’ve been publicly ridiculed. They’ve been beaten up. One had someone call him a f@ggot and throw a glass bottle at him from a moving vehicle, requiring stitches on his face.
And I’m in California.
And you’re ignorant enough to think this isn’t a real problem here? Part of why these things happen is because we have a major party actively trying to dehumanize LGBTQ people for votes.
Third party or bust. Republicans and Democrats are the same.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t gone out of their way to review both party’s voting history or criminal conviction history, or hell, even bothered to pay attention over the last handful of years.
Anyone that says Republicans and Democrats are the same and uses a fucking picture to support their claim is intellectually lazy.
Two things not being particularly great do not, in any way, make them equivalent. And the fact that you think a 3rd party is going to magically save us and be uncorruptable is so naive it’s comedy gold.
And what, exactly, does “3rd party or bust” mean? 3rd party or we let a felon rapist who stripped women of a human right, incited an insurrection, and illegally attempted to overturn an election be our leader again?
Goddamn, such an ignorant comment. You are 100% part of the problem.
Neither the Republicans nor Democrats are suggesting meaningful enough policy change to make the US a better country. The virtue signaling and microchanges that each of them make while in power have too little impact on real issues. I want to see someone campaign on cutting the military budget 90%, 10xing the education budget, or bringing in ranked voting.
I’ve only seen these suggestions come from third party candidates. So, might as well give these candidates a shot.
Goddamn, such an ignorant comment. You are 100% part of the problem.
A couple more of these comments and I’ll join the Democrats again. Keep it up!
Global warming and proxy wars around the world will kill millions of people, so it’s less that I “don’t give a shit about you” and more “I see larger dangers on the horizon”
The democrats had FIFTY YEARS to codify roe v Wade but cynically fundraised off it instead.
I fucking can’t with liberals. Useful fucking idiots.
And before you bleat to me about hating women I fucking am a woman and the democrats fucked us over so they could fucking fundraise off it fuck them!!!
The democrats had FIFTY YEARS to codify roe v Wade but cynically fundraised off it instead.
There is literally no way to do that without a constitutional amendment, and we haven’t been able to get the constitution amended in, what?, over fifty years? And as court cases in states that have passed constitutional amendments has shown, even a constitutional amendment is not sufficient to prevent litigation to unwind the intent of the law. Literally any law that congress could possibly pass to make Roe v. Wade the law* could be overturned by SCOTUS, and Republicans have been working strategically for decades now to build courts that are favorable to overturning laws that they don’t like.
And, BTW, Roe v. Wade was not the law of the land; Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992) was the standard that allowed states to really harshly regulate abortions, particularly when you had courts that were only looking at very narrow issues directly in front of them, rather than intents and realistic outcomes. If PP v. Casey had never happened 30 years ago, then we never would have seen SCOTUS tossing the whole issue back to the states (temporarily, anyways, because I expect the current congress to attempt a nationwide ban).
Democrats really did fuck up by not codifying Roe, but Republicans are the ones who want to sentence you to death for getting an abortion. They are absolutely not the same lmfao
The democrats had FIFTY YEARS to codify roe v Wade but cynically fundraised off it instead.
Ah yes. Another individual blaming the side that DIDN’T take rights away. Very good. Very good. I’m glad your focus is directed appropriately.
And before you bleat to me about hating women I fucking am a woman and the democrats fucked us over so they could fucking fundraise off it fuck them!!!
I’m going to drop a truth bomb on you. For the foreseeable future you’re getting Democrats or Republicans. And you’re over here complaining about the side NOT actively assaulting your rights. Bravo.
Neither the Republicans nor Democrats are suggesting meaningful enough policy change to make the US a better country.
As someone who Obama got affordable healthcare for when I was younger it’s almost impossible for me to fathom that you unironically said this literal days after Democrats banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports. The irony is so thick I can’t see you.
So, might as well give these candidates a shot.
Yeah, let’s totally vote for a 3rd party candidate for president when their parties haven’t even come close to doing what they need to do in order to win local/state elections to become a nationwide coalition capable of winning a presidential election. That sounds reasonable. And in the meantime, we’ll just allow anti-democratic felon rapists to call the shots from the Oval Office. You’re onto something here.
A couple more of these comments and I’ll join the Democrats again.
Honestly, I don’t think you’re intelligent enough to make that kind of move. Nothing you’ve said thus far indicates such.
I’m thrilled you got affordable healthcare, but it’s not good enough. I want parties who push for free healthcare. Parties who push for dense apartments to solve the housing crisis so people don’t go homeless paying off their “affordable healthcare”.
Does me supporting Claudia de la Cruz mean Trump gets into office? Maybe in the short term, but I don’t care about “banning medical debt from showing up on credit reports” when the whole notion of “medical debt” is the actual problem.
But alas, it seems I’m not intelligent enough to see the big picture :(
I’m thrilled you got affordable healthcare, but it’s not good enough.
It never is for complainers.
I want parties who push for free healthcare.
Then you’re onboard with reality, right? The reality that big things don’t happen magically and instantly. They take many small steps. Much more affordable healthcare was a step in that direction. You will absolutely not get “free” healthcare instantly. It will happen through numerous baby-step bills passed over a significant amount of time.
Does me supporting Claudia de la Cruz mean Trump gets into office?
Yes.
Maybe in the short term, but I don’t care about “banning medical debt from showing up on credit reports”
Then you’re not very old. Because anyone who’s actually an adult knows that’s a huge fucking deal and not something we’ve seen ANY administration talk about in the past, much less do. One of those baby-steps I just mentioned.
I can always tell when I’m talking to someone young on these platforms because they always demand instant gratification because they haven’t learned that big things take baby-steps and a whole lot of patience. Too bad we just wiped out an untold number of baby-steps by giving total power to Republicans by doing stupid things like not voting or voting 3rd party in a presidential election.
The picture carries more weight than you let on. Obama was one of the leading personalities in the party, which supposedly is some radical force for resistance and change against the MAGA fascist movement. And yet there he is, giggling along with Trump with no barrier or reservation. This actually disproves the myths about his character entirely, whether or not you want to acknowledge it. You can disagree with that, I’m sure you will, but frankly it just speaks to your lack of insight, and I’m not going to argue with you about it.
Re: Republican and Democrat “sameness”. Obviously they are not exactly identical. But your perception of their difference is the outcome of brainwashing. Every theory that views them as opposing forces, instead of a kind of mock opposition inside of a uniparty, absolutely breaks down when you examine their virtually complete consensus on global oppression, foreign invasions, domestic totalitarianism, and so on. If your theory cannot account for their consensus on being a force of oppression against the entire world, the U.S. population included, your theory is incorrect.
They are not owed your vote. Our responsibility as a population in a so-called “representative democracy” is to select the best candidates - preferably ones that will amend the Constitution into a direct democracy. You are correct that corruptibility is always a risk - but Green & PSL being corrupt in the future is theoretical, while the Democrats and Republicans have proven their corruption beyond a reasonable doubt. It is Democrat and Republican voters who have abdicated this responsibility, and the entire world is burning as a result.
I give way less fucks about a picture than I do about both party’s voting records and criminal conviction histories. Oh hey, look at those two dudes laughing. One gave me affordable healthcare when I was younger and the other one tried to illegally overturn the votes of 80 million people. THEY MUST BE THE SAME!!!
This actually disproves the myths about his character entirely
Because he’s being cordial with someone at a funeral? My man, how old are you?
But your perception of their difference is the outcome of brainwashing.
Says the guy that uses a single picture as evidence instead of voting history.
Our responsibility as a population in a so-called “representative democracy” is to select the best candidates.
That’s exactly what I did. I acknowledged that only 2 candidates had a chance of winning and picked the best one based on their character, their voting history, and their party’s voting history.
Only a fool would vote for a 3rd party candidate in a presidential election. They CANNOT win, because their parties haven’t done the necessary work to get their candidates elected at local/state levels across the nation to build a coalition capable of winning a presidential election.
Oh hey, look at those two dudes laughing. One gave me affordable healthcare when I was younger and the other one tried to illegally overturn the votes of 80 million people. THEY MUST BE THE SAME!!!
Did you read the part where I said I don’t give a fuck what you think about the picture? I do not respect your opinion at all. I did not make the claims you’re accusing me of making, that it FOLLOWS that they’re “the same” because they’re laughing together in the picture. Don’t bother me with your bullshit misrepresentation of my own words.
Did you see that team Xs favorite popular man talked to team Ys favorite popular man at a funeral of a colleague, instead of punching him in the throat, like twitter assured me would happen?
I talked about it 3 days ago: https://lemmy.ml/comment/16009412
There’s less vote discussion going on right now. You want me to continue shilling Claudia de la Cruz anywhere I can?
Third party or bust. Republicans and Democrats are the same.
They’re exactly the same, except one side wants to kill my friends for being gay
They’re exactly the same, except one side actively removed all women’s federally protected right over their own bodies.
Yes, both Republicans and Democrats are exactly the same, except that one of the two parties wants to have a version of Christianity be the state-sponsored religion, not allow women to have rights to their own body, eliminate all regulations on corporations, destroy environmental protections of every kind, eliminate all rights for LGBTQ+ people, eliminate marriage equality across the board (incl. Loving v. VA!), prevent workers from unionizing or otherwise eliminating the rights of labor, ban books and criminally punish media sources that don’t align with their beliefs, eliminate progressive income taxation in favor of regressive sales taxes and tariffs, prevent people from protesting peacefully for the regress of grievances… But you know, other than those minor points, sure, they’re exactly the same.
Do I love Democrats? No, absolutely not. I think that they should be quite a bit more forceful in pushing things that genuinely benefit the majority of people in the US, I think they should be working strongly against regulatory capture, and against the entrenched interests of major businesses that are harmful to the people, and I’m ashamed that they are largely not willing to condemn Israel for the overt genocide against the Palestinian people while also wanting to punish people that have advocated for Palestinians. (And as far as the last one goes, there are a lot of reasons that establishment Dems are unwilling to work against Israel; for most Republicans, that particular issue boils down to religion, specifically an evangelical belief that a Jewish state must exist in order for Christ to return.)
…But anyone who says that "Republicans and Democrats are the same" is, at best, disingenuous, and at worst actively and intentionally lying.
Damn bro I’m sorry you live in Saudi Arabia where they actually have this problem.
Quit roleplaying and focus on something real.
Lol. What the fuck?
American here. I have gay and trans friends. They’ve been publicly ridiculed. They’ve been beaten up. One had someone call him a f@ggot and throw a glass bottle at him from a moving vehicle, requiring stitches on his face.
And I’m in California.
And you’re ignorant enough to think this isn’t a real problem here? Part of why these things happen is because we have a major party actively trying to dehumanize LGBTQ people for votes.
Be less ignorant.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/florida-judge-allows-state-prison-officials-to-withhold-medical-care-for-transgender-incarcerated-people
Spoken like someone who hasn’t gone out of their way to review both party’s voting history or criminal conviction history, or hell, even bothered to pay attention over the last handful of years.
Anyone that says Republicans and Democrats are the same and uses a fucking picture to support their claim is intellectually lazy.
Two things not being particularly great do not, in any way, make them equivalent. And the fact that you think a 3rd party is going to magically save us and be uncorruptable is so naive it’s comedy gold.
And what, exactly, does “3rd party or bust” mean? 3rd party or we let a felon rapist who stripped women of a human right, incited an insurrection, and illegally attempted to overturn an election be our leader again?
Goddamn, such an ignorant comment. You are 100% part of the problem.
Neither the Republicans nor Democrats are suggesting meaningful enough policy change to make the US a better country. The virtue signaling and microchanges that each of them make while in power have too little impact on real issues. I want to see someone campaign on cutting the military budget 90%, 10xing the education budget, or bringing in ranked voting.
I’ve only seen these suggestions come from third party candidates. So, might as well give these candidates a shot.
A couple more of these comments and I’ll join the Democrats again. Keep it up!
The overturn of roe v wade is affecting millions of women alone. But thanks for showing you don’t give a shit about us.
Global warming and proxy wars around the world will kill millions of people, so it’s less that I “don’t give a shit about you” and more “I see larger dangers on the horizon”
The democrats had FIFTY YEARS to codify roe v Wade but cynically fundraised off it instead.
I fucking can’t with liberals. Useful fucking idiots.
And before you bleat to me about hating women I fucking am a woman and the democrats fucked us over so they could fucking fundraise off it fuck them!!!
There is literally no way to do that without a constitutional amendment, and we haven’t been able to get the constitution amended in, what?, over fifty years? And as court cases in states that have passed constitutional amendments has shown, even a constitutional amendment is not sufficient to prevent litigation to unwind the intent of the law. Literally any law that congress could possibly pass to make Roe v. Wade the law* could be overturned by SCOTUS, and Republicans have been working strategically for decades now to build courts that are favorable to overturning laws that they don’t like.
And, BTW, Roe v. Wade was not the law of the land; Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992) was the standard that allowed states to really harshly regulate abortions, particularly when you had courts that were only looking at very narrow issues directly in front of them, rather than intents and realistic outcomes. If PP v. Casey had never happened 30 years ago, then we never would have seen SCOTUS tossing the whole issue back to the states (temporarily, anyways, because I expect the current congress to attempt a nationwide ban).
Democrats really did fuck up by not codifying Roe, but Republicans are the ones who want to sentence you to death for getting an abortion. They are absolutely not the same lmfao
Ah yes. Another individual blaming the side that DIDN’T take rights away. Very good. Very good. I’m glad your focus is directed appropriately.
I’m going to drop a truth bomb on you. For the foreseeable future you’re getting Democrats or Republicans. And you’re over here complaining about the side NOT actively assaulting your rights. Bravo.
As someone who Obama got affordable healthcare for when I was younger it’s almost impossible for me to fathom that you unironically said this literal days after Democrats banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports. The irony is so thick I can’t see you.
Yeah, let’s totally vote for a 3rd party candidate for president when their parties haven’t even come close to doing what they need to do in order to win local/state elections to become a nationwide coalition capable of winning a presidential election. That sounds reasonable. And in the meantime, we’ll just allow anti-democratic felon rapists to call the shots from the Oval Office. You’re onto something here.
Honestly, I don’t think you’re intelligent enough to make that kind of move. Nothing you’ve said thus far indicates such.
I’m thrilled you got affordable healthcare, but it’s not good enough. I want parties who push for free healthcare. Parties who push for dense apartments to solve the housing crisis so people don’t go homeless paying off their “affordable healthcare”.
Does me supporting Claudia de la Cruz mean Trump gets into office? Maybe in the short term, but I don’t care about “banning medical debt from showing up on credit reports” when the whole notion of “medical debt” is the actual problem.
But alas, it seems I’m not intelligent enough to see the big picture :(
It never is for complainers.
Then you’re onboard with reality, right? The reality that big things don’t happen magically and instantly. They take many small steps. Much more affordable healthcare was a step in that direction. You will absolutely not get “free” healthcare instantly. It will happen through numerous baby-step bills passed over a significant amount of time.
Yes.
Then you’re not very old. Because anyone who’s actually an adult knows that’s a huge fucking deal and not something we’ve seen ANY administration talk about in the past, much less do. One of those baby-steps I just mentioned.
I can always tell when I’m talking to someone young on these platforms because they always demand instant gratification because they haven’t learned that big things take baby-steps and a whole lot of patience. Too bad we just wiped out an untold number of baby-steps by giving total power to Republicans by doing stupid things like not voting or voting 3rd party in a presidential election.
Maybe you’re too old to realize these baby steps aren’t producing results and it’s time to bring out the real deal.
What the Dems compete in two terms the Republicans undo in one. You really think you’re doing anything except supporting the status quo?
The picture carries more weight than you let on. Obama was one of the leading personalities in the party, which supposedly is some radical force for resistance and change against the MAGA fascist movement. And yet there he is, giggling along with Trump with no barrier or reservation. This actually disproves the myths about his character entirely, whether or not you want to acknowledge it. You can disagree with that, I’m sure you will, but frankly it just speaks to your lack of insight, and I’m not going to argue with you about it.
Re: Republican and Democrat “sameness”. Obviously they are not exactly identical. But your perception of their difference is the outcome of brainwashing. Every theory that views them as opposing forces, instead of a kind of mock opposition inside of a uniparty, absolutely breaks down when you examine their virtually complete consensus on global oppression, foreign invasions, domestic totalitarianism, and so on. If your theory cannot account for their consensus on being a force of oppression against the entire world, the U.S. population included, your theory is incorrect.
They are not owed your vote. Our responsibility as a population in a so-called “representative democracy” is to select the best candidates - preferably ones that will amend the Constitution into a direct democracy. You are correct that corruptibility is always a risk - but Green & PSL being corrupt in the future is theoretical, while the Democrats and Republicans have proven their corruption beyond a reasonable doubt. It is Democrat and Republican voters who have abdicated this responsibility, and the entire world is burning as a result.
Alright, politics is about being unapproachable to people you don’t like.
And not like, the opposite /s
We are way the fuck past that point. I’m going to write what I think and I’m going to make it sound the way I feel about it.
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I give way less fucks about a picture than I do about both party’s voting records and criminal conviction histories. Oh hey, look at those two dudes laughing. One gave me affordable healthcare when I was younger and the other one tried to illegally overturn the votes of 80 million people. THEY MUST BE THE SAME!!!
Because he’s being cordial with someone at a funeral? My man, how old are you?
Says the guy that uses a single picture as evidence instead of voting history.
That’s exactly what I did. I acknowledged that only 2 candidates had a chance of winning and picked the best one based on their character, their voting history, and their party’s voting history.
Only a fool would vote for a 3rd party candidate in a presidential election. They CANNOT win, because their parties haven’t done the necessary work to get their candidates elected at local/state levels across the nation to build a coalition capable of winning a presidential election.
This isn’t rocket science.
Did you read the part where I said I don’t give a fuck what you think about the picture? I do not respect your opinion at all. I did not make the claims you’re accusing me of making, that it FOLLOWS that they’re “the same” because they’re laughing together in the picture. Don’t bother me with your bullshit misrepresentation of my own words.
Did you see that team Xs favorite popular man talked to team Ys favorite popular man at a funeral of a colleague, instead of punching him in the throat, like twitter assured me would happen?
lets deep dive on the implications.
The whole sarcastic tone here is making it harder to clearly infer what you’re trying to say.