• ZeroOne@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    What was she clear about again ? Her overwhelming support for the Genocide of Gaza ? Yes

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      Off the top of my head

      • Being the objectively better option on Gaza. Actually responded like a human and cared about public pressure here saying things like “International humanitarian law must be respected” and advocated for a 2-state solution vs Trumps ‘We’re gonna tell them do whatever they want to get the job done’ (greater israel incoming)
      • Said she would pass a middle class tax cut that will benefit 100m+ Americans
      • $25k for first-time homebuyers
      • Maintain/increase the surging Economy
      • Give women reproductive freedom.
      • Continue to move towards universal single payer healthcare.
      • Continue the advancements in non fossil fuel energy development.
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        better option on Gaza

        DOUBT!

        Said she would pass a middle class tax cut that will benefit 100m+ Americans

        Yeah right, why wasn’t it done already then?

        $25k for first-time homebuyers

        Big whoop, homes will increase 25k in price.

        Maintain/increase the surging Economy

        Surging economy for whom?! the liberal elites? Yeah ok.

        Give women reproductive freedom.

        And the democrats had FIFTY FUCKING YEARS to codify roe v Wade but cynically fundraised off it instead. YEAH RIGHT. That’s total bullshit. If she was serious why didn’t it happen under biden and why would it magically happen under her? No, nothing would change. Just more fundraising, this dumbass spent a billion to lose an election because nobody fucking believes a word out of democrat mouths anymore for good fucking reason! Like an abusive romantic relationship where the partner constantly promises change and never delivers and then gaslights you over it. And you wonder why they’re breaking up!

        Continue to move towards universal single payer healthcare.

        Bullshit and empty promises. Democrat senator from Connecticut joe Lieberman single-handedly killed Obamacare’s public option after being bribed by the insurance companies that are headquartered in his state. He’s dead but there’s always a democrat patsy to protect the capitalists they actually represent. Sinema, Manchin, the unheard of senate parliamentarian when it came to raising the federal minimum wage. There’s always somebody democrat aligned to protect corporate donors interests and block any kind of meaningful reform.

        Continue the advancements in non fossil fuel energy development.

        Too little too late. See the LA wildfires for an example. We’re already cooked. The time to act was decades ago but did the democrats do anything meaningful? NO! They protected their corporate donors and the capitalist class as they always do. Schadenfreude watching the houses of the extreme wealthy burn!

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          The argument wasn’t whether or not people believed her. It was on whether or not they knew what the policies were.

          But to deny she was the better option for Gaza is just delusion.

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            But to deny she was the better option for Gaza is just delusion.

            How many billions of dollars has the Biden admin, with Harris as VP, sent to “Israel” to commit the genocide? Quantified in both dollars and arm shipments purchased with those dollars. I’m actually asking you, please provide the numbers. And separate them by bills authorizing the amounts and sales, when applicable.

            Also, for the arms sales, note whether or not they’re structured to be below the threshold when Congress has to be notified of the arms sale or not (I choose the word “structuring” because this is actually a federal crime for normal people in the financial system).

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              Not really relevant. If you have a point then make it.

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                You are claiming that billions of dollars of weapons continually sent to a genocide, from the administration she was VP in, is irrelevant to whether or not she was “the better option”? The fucking mental gymnastics of watching someone be complicit in genocide and having the fucking nerve to sit there and say someone else would genocide even worse, in her DEFENSE. You people are deranged.

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                  Of course it’s irrelevant as the argument isn’t whether or not they were aiding in it. Unless you have access to an alternative reality wherein you can see what Trump would’ve done if he were president then you have no numbers to compare to and determine the better option. It’s completely meaningless without that context.

                  What we do have is Trump saying he’s going to set Palestine back decades, his previous public support for the illegal settlements, him appointing an Israeli ambassador who says the West Bank shouldn’t exist, using ‘Palestinian’ as a slur, the list goes on and on.

                  To deny this is sheer cope because you fell for the Zionist propaganda.

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                    To create a theory about the relative severity of genocide between two politicians, you would have to understand their motivations. Which you have utterly failed at. Your entire theory here is extrapolated based on inferring sympathy from the statements of genocidal politicians, which is just about the most unreliable source of information there is. It speaks to WILLFUL ignorance and active denial of reality.

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        Except she didn’t promise any of that (not her in particular) & the 2-state solution is a farce where the Genocide will still continue & Israel will be given more priority & as for reproductive rights Never though killing unborn children was a reproductive right

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          as for reproductive rights Never though killing unborn children was a reproductive right

          Giving a woman the right to choose to abort her fetus or not is definitely a reproductive right and also a basic human right.

          It’s healthcare and it is not for politicians to decide when it should be between a woman and her doctor.

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          Huh? Many of those were her original campaign promises.

          Genocide will be ramped up and concerns ignored instead of just continuing while facing increasing public scrutiny and backlash. He literally told you this. Biden was a zionist at heart but Kamala would’ve softened after winning. And even if she didn’t. Argument isn’t whether she was good for Gaza, it’s that she was objectively, better than Trump.

          Trump says Israel needs to ‘finish what they started’ and said war with Hamas is ‘taking a long time’

          Trump told Netanyahu he wants Gaza war over by time he enters office

          vs

          Kamala Harris says ‘I will not be silent’ on suffering in Gaza after Netanyahu talks

          The current GOP is busy writing “finish them” on Israeli artillery shells. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/nikki-haley-writes-finish-them-israeli-artillery-shell-drawing-criticism-2024-05-29/

          There is no argument for letting Trump/GOP get in if you care about Gaza. Of course they’re worse.

          Miriam Adelson sought support from candidate Trump for Israel’s annexation of the West Bank, pledging more than $100 million to Trump’s campaign in exchange for U.S. recognition of Israel’s sovereignty over the region.

          It has ensured Palestine’s erasure. We’re now in the ‘Greater Israel’ period in U.S politics

          Friedman, however, suggests that we should not look to Trump but to those around him — to figures like former ambassador David Friedman, Jason Greenblatt, and others who pledge to continue the unfinished work of Trump’s first term. These are the people who will be at the center of what Friedman calls a “Greater Israel” period in U.S. policy: supporting Israeli annexation and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, Gaza, and parts of Lebanon; lifting sanctions on settlers; and preventing any bans on weapons transfers. “They have lists of things that they are ready to do,” Friedman says, warning that we should take them at their word.

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          I like how you talk more about Israel/Palestine than you do about the United States.

          Priorities looking real good.