When there’s so many drones in such a short amount of time that we’re having social mass panics about them thinking they’re UFOs or foreign countries and then having accidents like this, it kind of feels me at least like maybe those regulations are currently doing fuck-all?
Like what are regulations for if they’re not to help prevent things like this, not just clean up after the fact?
Regulations don’t prevent people breaking the law though. If they didn’t have the current regulations there would be a lot more people flying a lot more drones in a lot more dangerous areas because they wouldn’t be breaking the law.
Laws also don’t prevent murder from happening, they just make sure the murderer is punished after the fact and make it less likely that it will occur.
Right, the “pilot” was definitely breaking the rules big time (and just generally being a dumbass, if you see the firefighters planes/helicopters and don’t land the drone I don’t know wtf is wrong with you).
Just saying, these sub-250 exceptions are pretty stupid because now everyone is getting one of these, and not paying any attention to the rules because “my drone doesn’t count”.
That person probably never even looked at the drone map (not even just that day, like, ever). So they’d never know there was a no-fly in place. DJI is also partly to blame to be honest because the drones definitely have the ability to warn you about it or even prevent you from taking off but they don’t.
Source: I’m a certified drone pilot in Europe flying professionally.
Yeah but the DJI maps don’t match at all with the official ones at least here in Europe so it’s really just right next to the airports etc when the actual no-fly zone is a 10km circle. That’s what I mean actually, they do have all the abilities but just don’t implement it properly. Don’t get me wrong I’d rather my expensive tool just do what I ask it to without being a nanny, but just saying the technology is there.
Thankfully a single drone is unlikely to bring down a full aircraft like that but it’s still dangerous as fuck, not to mention the loss of firefighting capability while it’s down for repairs.
Downvote all you want without responding but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re not quite the aviation expert you think you are internet . A sub 250g drone is quite unlikely to bring down a large, multi engine aircraft on its own. You really should give the aviation engineering and safety world a bit more credit, the worst generic and isolated damage that could do is take out one of its engines, but realistically it’s probably more likely that they could continue to run it just fine until they are well clear of everything with little to no immediate ill effect, it would just make it more expensive to repair to keep using it. For low level ops they will have a one engine out climb out calculated for ridge crossings and several other things would need to go very wrong to compound a small drone strike into a full crash. The bottom line is drones are more or less equivalent to birds and planes hit birds all the time. Occasionally they lead to some bigger mishaps like the massive flock of very large geese that caused the miracle on the Hudson, but in general, large planes don’t stop flying from a small object hitting them.
Now none of this means it isn’t still incredibly fucking stupid, selfish and dangerous. The asshole that did it deserves to have the entire book thrown at him with serious federal jail time. What he did was horrendous enough it doesn’t need ignorant hyperboles about nearly bringing down the plane from a small ding that could have gone unnoticed in flight. It’s still expensive to repair, degraded the capability of the plane and reduced firefighting against the fire and could have been far worse had it gone into an engine, but the plane landed just fine after the impact.
Except it kept flying and made a safe landing. It would be completely possible for the crew to not even notice that impact if they didn’t happen to see it and only discover it on landing.
A small Cessna or helicopter are a different story but for a single impact from a drone of that size to cause a CL-415 to crash is extremely unlikely. Losing and engine or going through the windshield and injuring a pilot are definitely possibilities (although I would be surprised if the windshield wasn’t rated for some gnarly birdstrikes due to its low altitude based mission) and it’s still dangerous as fuck but planes like that are built to withstand far worse and have sufficient redundancies to keep flying safely in the event of an impact like that.
This is what you get when all your new technologies are an unregulated fucking mess, USA.
Drones are regulated? This was clearly illegal.
When there’s so many drones in such a short amount of time that we’re having social mass panics about them thinking they’re UFOs or foreign countries and then having accidents like this, it kind of feels me at least like maybe those regulations are currently doing fuck-all?
Like what are regulations for if they’re not to help prevent things like this, not just clean up after the fact?
Regulations don’t prevent people breaking the law though. If they didn’t have the current regulations there would be a lot more people flying a lot more drones in a lot more dangerous areas because they wouldn’t be breaking the law.
Laws also don’t prevent murder from happening, they just make sure the murderer is punished after the fact and make it less likely that it will occur.
FAA has lots of regulation on drones. I think anything above 250g or something needs to be registered with the FAA
Your right, 250g and up are required to be registered.
Source: I own a 249g drone that isn’t required to be registered
Article shows a pic of the drone and it’s a mini (249g).
It was flying in restricted airspace tho. That’s what the FBI would be investigating.
Never mind the fact the dumbfuck flying the drone could have caused the CL-415 to crash.
Right, the “pilot” was definitely breaking the rules big time (and just generally being a dumbass, if you see the firefighters planes/helicopters and don’t land the drone I don’t know wtf is wrong with you).
Just saying, these sub-250 exceptions are pretty stupid because now everyone is getting one of these, and not paying any attention to the rules because “my drone doesn’t count”.
That person probably never even looked at the drone map (not even just that day, like, ever). So they’d never know there was a no-fly in place. DJI is also partly to blame to be honest because the drones definitely have the ability to warn you about it or even prevent you from taking off but they don’t.
Source: I’m a certified drone pilot in Europe flying professionally.
I will say the DJI fly app did warn me when I was near a restricted airspace.
So they aren’t entirely to blame, assuming you get proper permission/permits ahead of time.
It won’t stop you from taking off, but will throw the warning in your face.
Yeah but the DJI maps don’t match at all with the official ones at least here in Europe so it’s really just right next to the airports etc when the actual no-fly zone is a 10km circle. That’s what I mean actually, they do have all the abilities but just don’t implement it properly. Don’t get me wrong I’d rather my expensive tool just do what I ask it to without being a nanny, but just saying the technology is there.
Thankfully a single drone is unlikely to bring down a full aircraft like that but it’s still dangerous as fuck, not to mention the loss of firefighting capability while it’s down for repairs.
The drone put a 3"×6" hole in the leading edge of the wing. Ofc it could have brought it down.
Downvote all you want without responding but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re not quite the aviation expert you think you are internet . A sub 250g drone is quite unlikely to bring down a large, multi engine aircraft on its own. You really should give the aviation engineering and safety world a bit more credit, the worst generic and isolated damage that could do is take out one of its engines, but realistically it’s probably more likely that they could continue to run it just fine until they are well clear of everything with little to no immediate ill effect, it would just make it more expensive to repair to keep using it. For low level ops they will have a one engine out climb out calculated for ridge crossings and several other things would need to go very wrong to compound a small drone strike into a full crash. The bottom line is drones are more or less equivalent to birds and planes hit birds all the time. Occasionally they lead to some bigger mishaps like the massive flock of very large geese that caused the miracle on the Hudson, but in general, large planes don’t stop flying from a small object hitting them.
Now none of this means it isn’t still incredibly fucking stupid, selfish and dangerous. The asshole that did it deserves to have the entire book thrown at him with serious federal jail time. What he did was horrendous enough it doesn’t need ignorant hyperboles about nearly bringing down the plane from a small ding that could have gone unnoticed in flight. It’s still expensive to repair, degraded the capability of the plane and reduced firefighting against the fire and could have been far worse had it gone into an engine, but the plane landed just fine after the impact.
Except it kept flying and made a safe landing. It would be completely possible for the crew to not even notice that impact if they didn’t happen to see it and only discover it on landing.
A small Cessna or helicopter are a different story but for a single impact from a drone of that size to cause a CL-415 to crash is extremely unlikely. Losing and engine or going through the windshield and injuring a pilot are definitely possibilities (although I would be surprised if the windshield wasn’t rated for some gnarly birdstrikes due to its low altitude based mission) and it’s still dangerous as fuck but planes like that are built to withstand far worse and have sufficient redundancies to keep flying safely in the event of an impact like that.