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    the last time there was a holocaust; we knew about it because the side that committed it lost; but this time the winning side is going to win and i wonder if this genocide will be nothing more than a historical footnote.

    if finkelstein is right; the entire world is complicit.

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        This is what I mean: the scale and growth of the genocides in North America literally covered an entire content rather than a single country in Palestine but today is a paragraph about the trial of tears in American history books and a couple of signs commemorating particularly nasty episodes in the middle of nowhere and Americans are barely aware.

        It’s like the Japanese glossing over the atrocities they committed during WW2; barely acknowledged even then in the most sanitized, blameless, passive way possible.

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        Eh, a lot of people don’t even see it as a genocide. I’ve argued with people (including a non white person) who tried to tell me it wasn’t a genocide. It is amazing how history can be erased, even as it still unfolds

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      I don’t think this can be memory holed nearly as easily with the amount of evidence distributed globally by those experiencing it.

      I hope so anyway.

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        Sanitized & minimized not forgotten

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        Difference is: there’s enough Armenians left to force us to reconcile like it is with Jewish people.

        The Israelis are doing their damnedest to make sure there aren’t enough Palestinians left to ever resist the boot on their collective necks they again.

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            for now.

            once their homeland is reduced to native-american style reservations; their numbers & identity will change as they adapt to their new reality as either expats or generationally impoverished conquered people like the people i descend from.

  • darkcalling [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Things would not have gotten better without Oct 7th, there was no better history ahead where the Palestinians allowed themselves to be quietly genocided without it. It drew attention but as we’ve seen that attention isn’t enough. In the long-run maybe the fall-out, the ICC issues and various sanctions will serve to actually catalyze a movement to isolate the zionist occupation. But we can say it has had dire consequences as well, it’s accelerated the extermination and occupation campaign. Iran flinching may be looked back at as one of the biggest strategic blunders. Their flinching has not saved them, it’s left them without Syria, without a way to supply Hezbollah, with Hezbollah weakened, with Hamas weakened, with their regional influence weakened, more isolated, more hemmed in from all sides. Flinching may well have doomed them to a war with the US directly that would have been devastating but as with the Palestinians the choice increasingly looks like a slow hemming in and killing which Iran chose here, their regional alliances have fallen to pieces, or striking back and risking immediate devastation. At least striking back hard would have perhaps terminally weakened the occupation entity. Their hesitancy emboldened the zionists to decapitate Hezbollah, to take a lot of other steps to put themselves in an extremely advantageous position as of this date.

    Maybe there were no winning moves for the resistance.