But who is the responsible party here? Who first began spouting out rhetoric of annihilation towards a whole ethnic group? Zionists, go back to theodore herzel and the original middle eastern terrorist groups Haganah, palmach and lehi who were responsible for dozens of violent attacks and killed an estimated 6-8000 Palestinian jews, Christians and muslims as well as occupying British forces. In the years before the israeli occupation began These terrorist groups were then simultaneously condemned by the newly established israeli government while their military absorbed their leadership and members into their newly formed military apparatus.
Im not saying hamas’s actions are any less awful, but international law does state that indigenous populations have a right to defend themselves by any means necessary and they are clearly defending themselves when you see the ratio of casualties was in the 20 to 1 range and that was before Israel used the 10-7-23 attack as pretense to unleash an all out annihilation of the Palestinian population in gaza and around other settler projects as well.
Israel bears responsibility here and ignoring this while saying “hamas is bad” and “do you condemn hamas” just shows a level of ignorance that is astoundingly absurd. When israel is clearly guilty of rhetoric and actions that are objectively worse but holding hamas to a standard that israel is free from being measured against. What planet are we on here?
Occupants of the Warsaw ghetto didn’t go into Germany to kill Germans, and they didn’t have a manifesto saying they don’t want to stop until there are still Germans in Germany.
I agree that the two are not comparable, but no amount of genocide conducted against you and yours can justify the genocide you want to commit yourself. Killing an Israeli for invading your home is okay. Killing them because they are a Jew living in the Levant is not.
It’s basically the same argument that Israel can’t justify what they are doing with the Holocaust.
rounding up and killing German civilians - like the Soviets did
What a shock, the zionist also can’t help but try to slip some Nazi propaganda in there too.
What’s your argument?
My point is that what you said was literally incoherent.
By the way, I did go and look up the Hamas charter, and found this that changed my opinion.
So you were deeply ignorant of the topic, but decided to pop off with pro-genocide propaganda anyway. This is exactly why the genocide has so much support in the West.
So I’d say that Hamas in its current state is not genocidal
Damn, so when you said that Hamas was not just genocidal, but had actually succeeded in committing genocide, you were talking out your ass.
All I’m saying is Hamas killed some Israeli people unjustifiably in the past
The fucking ANC killed some people unjustifiably in the past, so did the Jewish resistance against the Nazis; do we have to fucking go on about it every time we talk about those struggles too? Or just this one?
the insane amounts of war crimes
And here comes some more Nazi propaganda.
genocide is not a question of scale but intent.
Yeah, and remember that you knew fuck all about the intent of the Palestinians, by your own admition, but you went ahead and assumed that they were committing genocidal thought-crimes anyway, because westerners can’t fucking treat us as human.
How do i see the removed comments on the voyager app? Or do I have to pull lemmy up online?or is it just Zionist apologia brain rot and im better off pretending that shit didn’t even get posted lol
But who is the responsible party here? Who first began spouting out rhetoric of annihilation towards a whole ethnic group? Zionists, go back to theodore herzel and the original middle eastern terrorist groups Haganah, palmach and lehi who were responsible for dozens of violent attacks and killed an estimated 6-8000 Palestinian jews, Christians and muslims as well as occupying British forces. In the years before the israeli occupation began These terrorist groups were then simultaneously condemned by the newly established israeli government while their military absorbed their leadership and members into their newly formed military apparatus. Im not saying hamas’s actions are any less awful, but international law does state that indigenous populations have a right to defend themselves by any means necessary and they are clearly defending themselves when you see the ratio of casualties was in the 20 to 1 range and that was before Israel used the 10-7-23 attack as pretense to unleash an all out annihilation of the Palestinian population in gaza and around other settler projects as well.
Israel bears responsibility here and ignoring this while saying “hamas is bad” and “do you condemn hamas” just shows a level of ignorance that is astoundingly absurd. When israel is clearly guilty of rhetoric and actions that are objectively worse but holding hamas to a standard that israel is free from being measured against. What planet are we on here?
Small detail missing from your story is that Haganah itself was formed to defend against increasing attacks on jews
So if your only qualifier is “who first began”, you might want to revisit that
Lmao, get out of here with that revisionist history terrorist apologia. The haganah were violent racist far right ethno supremacist terrorist group.
Even the newly form government of israel was forced to condemn them while they also absorbed all their leaders and members into the newly formed idf.
With your logic the Taliban was also formed to defend against the evil genocidal communists. 🤣
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Fuck off, that’s like saying the occupants of the Warsaw ghetto “wanted to commit genocide and succeeded to do so on a small scale.”
Occupants of the Warsaw ghetto didn’t go into Germany to kill Germans, and they didn’t have a manifesto saying they don’t want to stop until there are still Germans in Germany.
I agree that the two are not comparable, but no amount of genocide conducted against you and yours can justify the genocide you want to commit yourself. Killing an Israeli for invading your home is okay. Killing them because they are a Jew living in the Levant is not.
It’s basically the same argument that Israel can’t justify what they are doing with the Holocaust.
You’ve never heard of the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
Least incoherent genocide apologist.
Image if you cared as much about the genocide that Israel is committing as you do about the one the Palestinians aren’t committing.
Yeah, and it also can’t justify what it’s doing by the made up fantasy genocide you’re accusing Palestine of.
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It fucking was when the uprising happened.
What a shock, the zionist also can’t help but try to slip some Nazi propaganda in there too.
My point is that what you said was literally incoherent.
So you were deeply ignorant of the topic, but decided to pop off with pro-genocide propaganda anyway. This is exactly why the genocide has so much support in the West.
Damn, so when you said that Hamas was not just genocidal, but had actually succeeded in committing genocide, you were talking out your ass.
The fucking ANC killed some people unjustifiably in the past, so did the Jewish resistance against the Nazis; do we have to fucking go on about it every time we talk about those struggles too? Or just this one?
And here comes some more Nazi propaganda.
Yeah, and remember that you knew fuck all about the intent of the Palestinians, by your own admition, but you went ahead and assumed that they were committing genocidal thought-crimes anyway, because westerners can’t fucking treat us as human.
Holy shit chat, keep up the good fight!
How do i see the removed comments on the voyager app? Or do I have to pull lemmy up online?or is it just Zionist apologia brain rot and im better off pretending that shit didn’t even get posted lol