Having fled China because of political persecution or for better economic opportunities, many undocumented Chinese men reject the message they're a threat to the U.S.

Summary

Undocumented Chinese men are alarmed by Trump’s plan to prioritize their deportation, citing baseless national security concerns about “military-age” immigrants.

Many fled political persecution or economic hardship and reject claims of being a threat.

Legal experts warn of racial profiling and expanded ICE raids, urging immigrants to know their rights. Deportation fears grow as China cooperates in repatriation efforts.

Chinese immigrants express anxiety over family separations and harsh consequences if returned, emphasizing they seek safety and stability, not harm.

Critics call Trump’s policies cruel and unjustified.

  • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    9 hours ago

    I’m not nitpicking on the details, I’m pointing out you yourself said something which, in context, sure sounded bigoted to me.

    I needed a way to refer to a racial group that could potentially be a part of a larger race. The word “subrace” would be accurate but sounds incredibly racey and probably has bad connotations that I’m not aware of so I used the example of a small, semi-distinct racial group potentially within a larger race. Many countries have small distinct racial groups, which seemed like the best example. Sue me.

    And let’s see evidence of this “natural evolution” that involves statistics. That doesn’t sound like how language works to me.

    Literally what does this even mean? What are you talking about??

    Anyways, now that I’ve clarified my point you can stop nitpicking and respond to my actual argument. Or are you only interested in calling me a bigot?

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      12·
      9 hours ago

      You seem to have a poor memory:

      Traditionally racism that is based on statistics and aggregate numbers still counts.

      Then I asked you what makes it traditional and you said:

      The natural evolution of the English language as determined by multiple societies. I’m using the most common definition of racism that I know.

      So let’s see some evidence of this natural evolution based on statistics and aggregate numbers.

      • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        9 hours ago

        Why yes I do have a memory disorder, thanks for reminding me. I must’ve forgotten.

        But, I think you’re confused about what I’m saying there. I’m not saying that the evolution of language is “based on statistics and aggregate numbers”, and I don’t see how it could be interpreted that way. I’m saying that language naturally evolves, and that the definition of racism that I see most commonly has evolved into including negative statements about a race based on factual statistics. For example, “80% of [insert race here] commits [insert type of crime here]”. Even if it were true, that would be considered racist. If you don’t agree, ok, I’ll use your definition.

        Anyways, I’m not sure why I’m arguing about this. You literally agreed with a comment calling an entire race of people troglodytes who the op was ashamed to share their genetics with. I’m pretty sure it was satire. So. Yeah, idk what else to say here

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          11·
          8 hours ago

          Facts aren’t racist, they’re facts. “80% of ___ commits ___ crime” is not racist if it’s true.

          And, again, please do show me evidence of a definition of racism that includes true statements.

          • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            7 hours ago

            Facts aren’t racist, they’re facts. “80% of ___ commits ___ crime” is not racist if it’s true.

            Ok, then you’re not racist for pointing out that white people are responsible for some horrible things. You would still be racist for calling them troglodytes though.

              • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                7 hours ago

                1. You’re generalizing that trend to the whole race

                2. You’re assigning all the blame to white people when other races also increased their support of Trump (eg. it doubled among black men)

                3. Including the people who didn’t vote, I’m pretty sure every race has a majority of ignorant people, yet you only call white people troglodytes

                In short, you’re making it more about race than it is. I propose the much more accurate delineation that uninformed people elected Trump. It’s valuable to note that white people did that the most, but with all the caveats above I think the generalization is unwarranted.

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  7 hours ago

                  I’ll say a similar thing to you to what I said to the other person who is very upset that people dare to blame white men for things…

                  When Native Americans say, “the white man stole our land,” are they racists?

                  • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    2·
                    6 hours ago

                    Why are we ignoring white women? Your numbers aren’t quite as good in that department. Still >50%, but we seem to have gotten a bit narrower for no reason here, no?

                    Anyways, no, they aren’t racist, because white people did steal their land. They were the ones making all the decisions and they were overwhelmingly of the mind that native americans were a worse race. They perpetrated a literal racial genocide. Did they all do this? No, but they nearly all supported it. You can make the claim that the overwhelming majority of the entire race was racist and was totally on board with colonialism. So, you can say that the race, as a whole, is to blame. It would still be racist to blame an individual white person who had no part in the genocide. But the claim validly applies to the race as a whole, so it’s not racist to make under your own definition.

                    That’s very different from white people having a ~5% majority with very strong internal disagreements when they elected Trump.