Fuckk, this is good slop lol, I went in and spent a little time arguing with them
Very interesting, I’ve never seen this from the (their words) “system dynamics, distributed systems, and its intersection with political theory” angle before. It just makes sense to me if you see a mathematician or logician doing it (tbh I feel like the reason a lot of math people aren’t interested in philosophy of math is cuz a lot of their stuff has… bad metaphysical implications. And the ones that are are usually very anti-communist lol at least in the imperial core) but a “systems theory” person? Wild, considering the history of systems theory in the imperial core is basically a project to rehabilitate dialectical thinking without the communism lol
dear god thats literally a fucking seminar worth of work. plenty of people have already written about the mathematical weaknesses in both communism and capitalism I dont need to rehash it
I asked who these people they’re referring to are, I expect no answer lol but would be pleasantly surprised if they clarified even a little about wtf they’re talking about
If I had to guess I’d have to say they’re talking about the “Economic Calculation Problem” which says a planned economy is impossible because there are too many variables. There are a few of these nerds. Hakim made a video about it 3 years ago.
It’s wild that people talk about ECP like it’s some highly theoretical string theory that we could never test empirically. The largest corporations today are managing production far larger in scale than entire countries back when Marx was writing, or even during the Bolshevik era. Amazon is proof of not merely the possibility, but the current ability to coordinate production of a national economy.
Marx himself thought that the development of complex division of labor within private capital would produce the conditions for socialist production. This is obviously the case and it’s why capitalism undermines itself.
Fuckk, this is good slop lol, I went in and spent a little time arguing with them
Very interesting, I’ve never seen this from the (their words) “system dynamics, distributed systems, and its intersection with political theory” angle before. It just makes sense to me if you see a mathematician or logician
doing it (tbh I feel like the reason a lot of math people aren’t interested in philosophy of math is cuz a lot of their stuff has… bad metaphysical implications. And the ones that are are usually very anti-communist lol at least in the imperial core) but a “systems theory” person? Wild, considering the history of systems theory in the imperial core is basically a project to rehabilitate dialectical thinking without the communism lol
I asked who these people they’re referring to are, I expect no answer lol but would be pleasantly surprised if they clarified even a little about wtf they’re talking about
I get big “15-year old who watches
” energy from them.
If I had to guess I’d have to say they’re talking about the “Economic Calculation Problem” which says a planned economy is impossible because there are too many variables. There are a few of these nerds. Hakim made a video about it 3 years ago.
It’s wild that people talk about ECP like it’s some highly theoretical string theory that we could never test empirically. The largest corporations today are managing production far larger in scale than entire countries back when Marx was writing, or even during the Bolshevik era. Amazon is proof of not merely the possibility, but the current ability to coordinate production of a national economy.
Marx himself thought that the development of complex division of labor within private capital would produce the conditions for socialist production. This is obviously the case and it’s why capitalism undermines itself.
I love how the bourgeoise always have this “2 wolves inside you” thing going on (dialectics?)
Their beloved ai models are like “fuck it, we’re going to process billions of variables to make a single image of porn”
but foe economic planning they go “uwu 100 million variables is too much for our smol bean data centers”
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: