You are correct. They hatched a plan to grant clemency to a slew of people who were convicted of non-violent crimes that were switched to home confinement during the pandemic and who kept their noses clean since then. So a bunch of people who tended to skew older and committed financial crimes. No one thought to look at the details, I guess, so he pardoned some people he probably shouldn’t have.
Frankly, what’s done is done. He needs to now pardon all the kids who were convicted by this asshole and his partner, because they are the ones who really deserve it.
I don’t think he can. This is a former county judge who oversaw state cases. It would require the governor and/or state AG to pardon those kids. I actually think there was a commission set up specifically for that purposes, which led to hundreds of vacated convictions and a class action lawsuit that recovered millions in damages.
Ah, you are right. I saw a recent article about the parents of some of those kids who were pissed off and I misremembered the article. I thought that the parents were seeking clemency for their kids. What they actually said in the article was that they wanted “to see the ‘same kind of compassion and mercy’ extended to juvenile defendants around the country.” Which is not something Biden could do anyway because, as you say, those were state level courts/charges.
It always reminds me of the West Wing episode where the commutation lawyer asks if the president is looking for “packing peanuts.” Like, does he have a buddy that needs their sentence commuted and wants a smokescreen for the move.
Yep it’s basic Hanlon’s razor. But plenty won’t care to engage their brains. It’s just another reason for them to crucify him.
Which is like if you guys are this upset about what Biden did. You do realize that the person coming into office after him literally sold pardons for money. To some of the worst people you’ll ever know. Oh? Not a peep?
What Trump does doesn’t justify or defend Mistakes by Biden. But it really is telling that Biden is disproportionately getting raked over the coals.
you guys are this upset about what Biden did. You do realize that the person coming into office after him literally sold pardons or money. To some of the worst people you’ll ever know. Oh? Not a peep?
Eldritch, always here with the nonsense distraction attempt for Biden and/or genocide and low standards for dem leaders.
“Sure I killed 3 kids your honor, but what about that other guy? He killed 4! so why am I even here in court?”
So eldritch, once again, we dont judge ourselves as doing fine if we stay slightly above the worst level of what some other side is doing. Thats not how any of this works. Its not how life works. Your point is nonsensical. It amounts to a self defense of meaningless and braindead centrism, doesnt it.
I literally said it’s not a defense of him. Just pointed out that it’s odd that so many are so seemingly upset. At what specifically a lame duck outgoing president did. By mass pardoning a group of people. Which included someone it shouldn’t have. Likely not by Biden’s inclusion. And you felt so personally called out by it. That you did nothing but project and put words I never said into my mouth. Funny that. Some advice for the future comrade. You’ll have much more fruitful discussions if you engage with what people actually say. Instead of trying to make up things to get offended at. That’s ultimately my point and you proved it. Thank you very much friend.
You’re like this in all of your many many comments.
You backpedal with a “I just X”. or trying to pretend everyone misunderstood what you obviously said.
You ALWAYS run interference for Biden and genocide with the same tired “But Trump is worse” and “Biden probably didnt do X on purpose” drivel. Its always the main point of your comment: “what about Trump.”
You throw in a tired ad-hom, like this time calling me “comrade”. or sometimes its “kiddo” or “uninformed” or “uneducated”.
And you clutch your pearls and claim its personal.
There a significant difference between having a perspective on the bigger picture versus “defending” one aspect of it. The person you’re attacking stated they weren’t defending Biden because it’s obviously wrong, but they were pointing out that in the larger scheme of things it’s comparatively SOP or even small peanuts compared to other similar wrongs committed by other people in the same position.
I’m quite disgusted with the Biden administration’s handling of Netanyahu myself, but that doesn’t mean the answer is to replace it with someone with an even worse human rights track record.
Why do you bring up replacement in this conversation?
pushing for better leadership within the party doesnt equate to boosting Trump. We’re supposed to have our own standards, not only exist as some foil to the far right. Thats exactly how we all lost in the last election.
Lots of people prefer to speak of Biden only in the context of comparing him to trump. strange, eh. He cant stand on his own two feet, he needs that Trump comparison, or who is he? Shall we look at his actions without that crutch of comparing him to Trump? no?
So sure, we can talk about both here, because otherwise the centrists would have nothing at all to say.
It’s not too much to ask that the POTUS considers the details of actions they take before taking them. Hell, this is one of the many criticisms people correctly make of Trump. It’s also not too much to expect other politicians take their jobs more seriously than Trump does, or for other politicians to be better than Trump in general (especially when that is literally all that they promise us).
No, its not. But that was never my supposition. All I was asking. Was for people who were breathlessly repeatedly posting and complaining about such actions from Biden take equal and appropriate responses towards his opponents. Is that too much to ask? Apparently yes. Yes it is.
Is it too much to ask people to consider the likely knock on effects other actions? Absolutely going by popular sentiments around here lol. Is it too much to ask for Democratic party to actually really look at what happened and reevaluate things? Indubitably. Is it too much to ask those e nomine on the left to do similar? You better believe it.
I’m not asking anyone to not criticize Biden. I’m just wondering where all this enthusiasm and energy was when it came to trying to make sure the other bad guy didn’t get elected.
I’m just wondering where all this enthusiasm and energy was when it came to trying to make sure the other bad guy didn’t get elected.
Probably because around 99% of the people using Lemmy already know that Trump is worse, so complaining about it feels irrelevant and like a waste of time. What does it accomplish when everyone already agrees?
When people here complain about the amount of Biden-bashing from leftists, now that actually accomplishes something. What that does is give people who are debating between voting blue, voting third party, or not voting at all (and there are a lot of those people around here) the impression that dedicated Democrat voters don’t care what Democrats do as long as Trump does something worse. This promotes the idea that “both sides are the same” and discourages people from voting blue.
Not a defense of Biden, bit maybe this is why?
Buried in the massive list of nearly 1,500 people
You are correct. They hatched a plan to grant clemency to a slew of people who were convicted of non-violent crimes that were switched to home confinement during the pandemic and who kept their noses clean since then. So a bunch of people who tended to skew older and committed financial crimes. No one thought to look at the details, I guess, so he pardoned some people he probably shouldn’t have.
Frankly, what’s done is done. He needs to now pardon all the kids who were convicted by this asshole and his partner, because they are the ones who really deserve it.
I don’t think he can. This is a former county judge who oversaw state cases. It would require the governor and/or state AG to pardon those kids. I actually think there was a commission set up specifically for that purposes, which led to hundreds of vacated convictions and a class action lawsuit that recovered millions in damages.
Ah, you are right. I saw a recent article about the parents of some of those kids who were pissed off and I misremembered the article. I thought that the parents were seeking clemency for their kids. What they actually said in the article was that they wanted “to see the ‘same kind of compassion and mercy’ extended to juvenile defendants around the country.” Which is not something Biden could do anyway because, as you say, those were state level courts/charges.
It always reminds me of the West Wing episode where the commutation lawyer asks if the president is looking for “packing peanuts.” Like, does he have a buddy that needs their sentence commuted and wants a smokescreen for the move.
Did anyone sneak Snowden into that list?
Yep it’s basic Hanlon’s razor. But plenty won’t care to engage their brains. It’s just another reason for them to crucify him.
Which is like if you guys are this upset about what Biden did. You do realize that the person coming into office after him literally sold pardons for money. To some of the worst people you’ll ever know. Oh? Not a peep?
What Trump does doesn’t justify or defend Mistakes by Biden. But it really is telling that Biden is disproportionately getting raked over the coals.
Eldritch, always here with the nonsense distraction attempt for Biden and/or genocide and low standards for dem leaders. “Sure I killed 3 kids your honor, but what about that other guy? He killed 4! so why am I even here in court?”
So eldritch, once again, we dont judge ourselves as doing fine if we stay slightly above the worst level of what some other side is doing. Thats not how any of this works. Its not how life works. Your point is nonsensical. It amounts to a self defense of meaningless and braindead centrism, doesnt it.
I literally said it’s not a defense of him. Just pointed out that it’s odd that so many are so seemingly upset. At what specifically a lame duck outgoing president did. By mass pardoning a group of people. Which included someone it shouldn’t have. Likely not by Biden’s inclusion. And you felt so personally called out by it. That you did nothing but project and put words I never said into my mouth. Funny that. Some advice for the future comrade. You’ll have much more fruitful discussions if you engage with what people actually say. Instead of trying to make up things to get offended at. That’s ultimately my point and you proved it. Thank you very much friend.
You’re like this in all of your many many comments.
You backpedal with a “I just X”. or trying to pretend everyone misunderstood what you obviously said.
You ALWAYS run interference for Biden and genocide with the same tired “But Trump is worse” and “Biden probably didnt do X on purpose” drivel. Its always the main point of your comment: “what about Trump.”
You throw in a tired ad-hom, like this time calling me “comrade”. or sometimes its “kiddo” or “uninformed” or “uneducated”.
And you clutch your pearls and claim its personal.
*le sigh.
There a significant difference between having a perspective on the bigger picture versus “defending” one aspect of it. The person you’re attacking stated they weren’t defending Biden because it’s obviously wrong, but they were pointing out that in the larger scheme of things it’s comparatively SOP or even small peanuts compared to other similar wrongs committed by other people in the same position.
I’m quite disgusted with the Biden administration’s handling of Netanyahu myself, but that doesn’t mean the answer is to replace it with someone with an even worse human rights track record.
Why do you bring up replacement in this conversation? pushing for better leadership within the party doesnt equate to boosting Trump. We’re supposed to have our own standards, not only exist as some foil to the far right. Thats exactly how we all lost in the last election.
Because the community is called “Politics,” not “The Democratic Party.” We can talk about both here.
Lots of people prefer to speak of Biden only in the context of comparing him to trump. strange, eh. He cant stand on his own two feet, he needs that Trump comparison, or who is he? Shall we look at his actions without that crutch of comparing him to Trump? no?
So sure, we can talk about both here, because otherwise the centrists would have nothing at all to say.
It’s not too much to ask that the POTUS considers the details of actions they take before taking them. Hell, this is one of the many criticisms people correctly make of Trump. It’s also not too much to expect other politicians take their jobs more seriously than Trump does, or for other politicians to be better than Trump in general (especially when that is literally all that they promise us).
No, its not. But that was never my supposition. All I was asking. Was for people who were breathlessly repeatedly posting and complaining about such actions from Biden take equal and appropriate responses towards his opponents. Is that too much to ask? Apparently yes. Yes it is.
Is it too much to ask people to consider the likely knock on effects other actions? Absolutely going by popular sentiments around here lol. Is it too much to ask for Democratic party to actually really look at what happened and reevaluate things? Indubitably. Is it too much to ask those e nomine on the left to do similar? You better believe it.
I’m not asking anyone to not criticize Biden. I’m just wondering where all this enthusiasm and energy was when it came to trying to make sure the other bad guy didn’t get elected.
Probably because around 99% of the people using Lemmy already know that Trump is worse, so complaining about it feels irrelevant and like a waste of time. What does it accomplish when everyone already agrees?
When people here complain about the amount of Biden-bashing from leftists, now that actually accomplishes something. What that does is give people who are debating between voting blue, voting third party, or not voting at all (and there are a lot of those people around here) the impression that dedicated Democrat voters don’t care what Democrats do as long as Trump does something worse. This promotes the idea that “both sides are the same” and discourages people from voting blue.