• DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    I honestly don’t know if Americans have what it takes to change the path we’re headed down. I haven’t really got much faith left in our society. We’re pretty pathetic.

    Hope I’m wrong.

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      All we can do it keep moving forward and try to take care of each other as we go.

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        By donating to each others GoFundMes for hospital bills.

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        Friendly reminder that killing CEOs isn’t the only answer. Sometimes it’s throwing tea in a harbor. Or tarring and feathering a tax collector.

        Just do your part.

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          All those things are from a past where democracy wasn’t a thing and indeed you needed to uprise to an oppressive power.

          This is still the case for the majority of the planet.

          It is not the case in the developed nations. And even in the US Trump has won the popular vote.

          You feathering a tax collector is an act against the will of the majority. This is not a revolutionary act, because you’re not acting brave and sacrificing yourself to voice a majority’s opinion.

          Contrary, your actions are radical activism. You represent a minority, and yet you so firmly believe in your own righteousness that you justify violence.

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      I went through your comment history to see if you are a gun owner, and I think you are not. So this makes you part of the problem you just posed in your comment here, since you have no means to commit to peaceful but aggressive armed protesting.

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        … or maybe they’re not reveling every aspect of their lives on a public forum for personal safety reasons.

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          I don’t have anydesire to encourage people to do anything.

          There are people out there who will always be useless removed that passively complain all day other people aren’t doing things when they themselves don’t bother to make any effort themselves to try to change shit.

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            I’m the audience you’re talking too. I’m 32 and just got my first rifle. It was awkward for me at first, and attitudes like yours contributed to that.

            So fuck you man.

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              Good stuff. Be sure to regularly train with it, or you might as well wrap a bow on it and give it to the people who will be trying to take it away from you.

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                  He is 100% a jackass but in this particular point he is right. Please learn and practice with your rifle. Untrained gun owners are a huge danger to themselves and others and they usually don’t realize it. And owning a gun doesn’t do you any good if it gets taken out of your hands in the first 5 seconds of an altercation.

                  For your safety and others this is actually legitimately good advice.

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                    Welcome to the Assumption Club, where everybody is an ass!

                    I bought it so it can sit in the rear window of my truck and make me look tough, obviously.

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        I am not a gun owner.

        I have never fired a gun in my life. I have terrible hand-eye coordination. I know from just playing video games with guns and carnival “shoot the target with BBs” things how bad my aim is.

        Also, I’m a coward and I know I could never kill anyone.

        I would be of no benefit of you in the glorious revolution with a gun in my hands. You would be more likely to be shot by me accidentally.

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          This is really important knowledge to know about yourself. I wish more people were this self aware.

          But a war requires a lot more than just soldiers. Even if we end up in a hot shooting Civil War 2 there are still many things you and other nonviolent folks could do for your fellows to keep them safe. Safe shelter and food mean even more than guns and bullets in a conflict like that.

          I hope with every bit of my heart that we don’t have to go there. But if we do, you are not useless. Soldiers may fight a war, but logistics wins one. And in this hypothetical situation a lot of us are going to be very charged up with hot tempers and someone with a cooler head and an aversion to violence will be important to keep things from falling to chaos.

          Don’t sell yourself short, Squid. A coward with a good head on them is a good person to have on your side in a fight. A coward knows how to prevent that fight that might not have been otherwise necessary.

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            I’m not selling myself short. I said, “I would be of no benefit of you in the glorious revolution with a gun in my hands.” I agree, there are other things that need doing.

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      We’re pretty pathetic.

      I’m not some flag saluting, Lee Greenwood asshole, but you couldn’t be more wrong. You are on Earth and the truth is 5 billion light years from you wondering about your existence. Americans may not all have the best education. They may be apathetic at the polls due to distrust in the system. However, Americans are NOT pathetic. The media may have you convinced that we are divided on the left and the right, but we are divided up and down. You start to take away things and I’m sure you will find out how strong they can be. Americans have fought and will fight tooth and nail for what they believe in.

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        Americans are NOT pathetic

        Buddy, we just RE-ELECTED a convicted felon and rapist who instigated an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election AFTER we already fired him for massively failing, including in regards to the biggest crisis America has experienced since WW2. A guy that has openly stated he is anti-union and worker rights. We can’t even get on the same page about healthcare, despite having examples from other first world countries across the globe showing what we could do to better our situation. We targeted black people (still are), then gay people (still are), and now we’ve moved on to targeting trans people. Wealth disparity is increasing by the year. Billionaires OWN our politics top to bottom.

        We’re categorically fucking pathetic.

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          I don’t think this speaks to how pathetic Americans are, but instead to how much the rich have us under their thumb.

          We need to start working against atomization if we want things to get better, and I think this is/was a really good way to bring people together. Talk to the uninformed people in your life, be the healthy opposition to their beliefs that many people dont have. Make them understand who their real enemies are.

          It is in the upper classes best interest that we close ourselves off, entering echochambers as we talk about how evil it is for someone to disagree with our own beliefs.

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          US politics are a ship. They don’t turn on a dime. We are headed in a better direction in the grand scheme. Short downturns happen. When Bush was president everyone thought the government was going to become a Christofacist regime. The end of times are not near. If you truly believe there is no hope, then why aren’t you taking to the streets with violence? I think THAT’S pathetic. You think the end is coming and you just sit and removed online and do nothing.

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        the truth is 5 billion light years from you wondering about your existence

        What?