This was in Lemmy world politics.
Power tripping bastard for sure, banning someone for misspelling words? If anything that makes him look like a troll, not the OP.
I swear I’ve seen this same situation some time ago including with the exact misspelling. Could be a coincidence, though.
EDIT: searching
misspelling bannedgives a comment by OP from 23 days ago (but the post is gone). I’m assuming what I remember seeing was probably this post before it was deleted and reposted.Probably. I did post this somewhere else and it was deleted. I didn’t know of this place yet lol
Because it’s clearly normal for your typography and patience to improve when you’re pissed off
Not to mention autoincorrect having gotten so much worse over the years.
finally a space to diss on jordanlund bless 😭
i was banned by this mod for politely noting how certain comments lead to escalation of inappropriate behavior. i noted how by bantering with infringing accounts after comment removal, !world@lemmy.world mods actually increased the work they needed to do to remove abusive content and amplified toxic voices as a whole. i used no unkind language and really at the time i genuinely hoped for improvement to the quality of the community.
their response?
- permabanned
- for “mod abuse”
- one month after i made the post in question
don’t use !world@lemmy.world. their entire mod team is dedicated to just kind of fucking around in a sandbox with thousands of users, not to creating a space for genuine constructive world news engagement. preferably also just stop using lemmy.world when possible.
World is the most carbon copy of Reddit of all instances. And that’s not a pro.
I am definitely considering switching from lemmy.world after the blatent censoring of posts and comments from large communities that happened the past few days.
I appreciate my instance of Lemmy.zip. I’ve had no issues.
Hello,
Could we then consider moving !index@lemmy.world elsewhere?
Woah I had no idea this community existed. Cool idea.
Hopefully we’ll move it soon ha ha
Yeah I have no problem moving it, but I think it might be actually more useful keeping it on LW?
It’s more of a roadsign to point from the most popular instance to lesser popular instances. If we put the sign on a lower traffic instance less people will see it.
You can keep keep the current one on LW, but then have a pinned post pointing to the active one elsewhere
!casualconversation@lemmy.world has that
Also keep in mind that if things were to really go south, some instances might defed LW.
Actually, Beehaw is already defederated from LW
Yesterday when all this came out I immediately applied to my new instance and let me tell you- seeing all the content I was missing from the places world has defederated has been a blast!
Same! secret dbzer0 newcomer handshake
Fucking seriously, that dude is garbage.
Jordanlund is almost as big a piece of shit as LyingSquid.
“Against me? No. The differentiator I experience is because I’m male. I’ve had a lot of anti-male sentiment. I lost a job because of it. Because somebody didn’t like having talking to a guy. Such is life.”
This is some borderline incel bullshit here.
I’m sure there is nothing else to the ‘I lost my job because somebody didn’t like having to talk to a guy’ thing either.
That’s kind of what I meant by the incel thing. To be it reads like “I was talking to coworkers in a terribly sexist and misogynistic manner and I got fired. That’s how a TOP 1% MAN speaks, so obviously I got fired because someone doesn’t like having to talk to a man, not because I’m a piece of shit with no self-awareness.”
The whole bit about sympathizing with the BLM protesters but wishing they would protest in places where cops have actually shot people instead of in his city because it inconvenienced him screams that he’s unaware of both his privilege and his power, which only reinforces the whole lack of self-awareness thing.
You ever read one thing about someone, and all of a sudden, everything about them comes into focus and makes sense?
Incredible lol, built to be a lemmy.world mod. Liberal final boss material. Holy shit.
If that’s actually him I’ll make that my profile picture and start posting in his subs more.
So their profile picture used to be a picture similar to that. And now theirs is a picture of I voted in Oregon…
This isn’t satire? It reads as satire…
I’m having trouble believing an article titled “White Progressive Discovers Portland’s Unwanted Reputation” isn’t satire.
Ahahahhaha how have I never seen this before?
LMFAO, a picture really is worth a million words. How does he look EXACTLY like you’d imagine a permanently online troll would?
Dude’s got the stereotypical incel attitude and the look. Built for modding.
Oh wow
Wait, what? FlyingSquid seems fine. In the only drama I saw involving them, it seemed to me like they were in the right. I asked someone who was all heated up about what a POS they were for some details or examples, and literally all they could come up with was a single un-called for message FlyingSquid sent to one user months ago, which for a full-time moderator means they’re way ahead of the curve.
Edit: Maybe I should ask for examples, what did FlyingSquid do?
I’ve seen FS straight up lie when banning people, making up excuses etc. For a period they even followed me around commenting on nearly everything I did trying to harass me until I called him out and the “coincidental” replies magically stopped.
FS is worse than JL from every interaction I’ve had with eirher. JL I can see having a bit of common sense and maturity.
Can you show me some examples?
Not without spending time digging through his post history. Which after working so many 12 hour days this week I am in no mood to do.
I’m not here to make people take my side, this is simply my opinion of him based on my year of interactions.
Fair enough. I think I can just search for the following you around behavior you described, and take a look at it and see how it seems to me.
Not that I’m doubting you necessarily, but there is some pretty wild revisionist history in these comments, all of it not matching the evidence on examination and all of it pointing to exactly the same conclusion, which is pretty weird. So I’d like to look for myself.
Not on my quokk.au account i don’t think, may have been my old kbin or sh.itjust.works if that helps.
I don’t know why you’re so invested in trying to whitewash FS, but what makes you think you trying to discredit the many experiences with others is going to change anyone’s mind about the worst mod on Lemmy? Your opinion on the experiences of others doesn’t mean shit.
That’s a funny way of spelling “I don’t have any examples.”
Guy never admits he’s wrong, ever. And I love the fact that he’s married with a kid and seems to be online 24/7.
And they’re arguably wrong a LOT. Not only that but everything is always black and white with them, there is no grey area or different perspectives possible.
As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.
Yeah. I haven’t seen FS abuse his power, but man he will just be clearly in the wrong side of an argument and refuse to admit it. Not somebody I enjoy having a debate with, but he keeps his personal disagreements separate from his mod role, and I respect that.
I think he’s partially disabled or something, which is how he has so much free time. I feel like he’s said something like that, or that he has some kind of chronic condition.
Which is no excuse for having shit netizen behavior.
They argue with users and ban them if they feel they’ve lost the discussion. They’re also incredibly quick to ban for “trolling” like a lot of le epik reddit mods turned .world superusers.
They argue with users and ban them if they feel they’ve lost the discussion.
Can you give an example? Someone else tried to claim this just now, and when I looked into it, the claim was laughably false.
Yeah, my interactions with FlyingSquid have been fine, but then again, I’ve never interacted with them in their mod role.
I’m against the genocide in Palestine, and sometimes comment that way.
From what I’ve seen FlyingSquid tends to be quite fair when moderating, doesn’t abuse the mod tools and is quite respectful and civil outside of the mod role. On occasion I’ve had disagreements and civil arguments with squid, and not once has the hammer been used as a conversation-ending argument.
Jordan however…
I’ve asked people over and over for a single example of FlyingSquid doing this. Only one person has responded, and that was with an “example” where neither the argument with FlyingSquid nor FlyingSquid being the one that banned them was truthful. This is one of the reasons I think this is a deliberate attempt to start destructive rumors about him.
Edit: Someone else has now given an example. They had said that someone was, among other things, a “fucking shitwit,” “self righteous piece of subhuman filth,” “a fucking idiot,” “fucking brain dead,” “your argument is stupid and you deserve what the republicans are gonna do to you,” and that they “hope it’s painful and prolonged.” Then they got a three day ban, and then said the ban was a way for FlyingSquid to wield his mod powers to “win” the argument against their clearly superior position.
There’s a firmly held belief by a certain segment of the community that everyone on Lemmy is liberals who will ban you if you are anti-genocide. Everyone on Lemmy is anti-genocide. Complaining that it’s full of these liberals and pro-genocide people is just a way to do some aggrieved whining whenever someone is disagreeing with some total nonsense. “We need to hate on Biden because genocide” “Yes but Trump is ten times worse” “Oh I see, you’re one of those pro-genocide people trying to censor me” is roughly how it goes.
Everyone on Lemmy is anti-genocide.
I’m gonna quote that, just because it’s so fucking stupid and I think it needs emphasis to show how disconnected you obviously are.
Most people are anti-genocide. I think many people do not agree on what genocide is. There’s a large segment of people who believe Israel is in a perpetual existential crisis, surrounded by countries full of people who think Israel shouldn’t exist and that pretty much goes for Jews in general; and that Israel is merely defending itself. Personally, while I do agree that Israel is surrounded by a lot of people who don’t think it should exist, I also believe this does not justify their (collective) behaviors: the settlements, and the genocide in Palestinian.
So the person you replied to was, I think, saying that most people oppose Genocide, many disagree on whether what Israel is doing is genocide, and a few would like to see some ethnic and/or cultural groups entirely eradicated. I agree with GP that the last group is relatively small.
Maybe I should have said “99%”, I have seen some overtly pro-Israel users. They’re pretty few and far between, though. The vast majority of the time, it’s someone using a lazy strawman to attack someone by pretending they like genocide, instead of dealing directly with what they’re saying.
Can you link me to some examples of defense of genocide? I can pretty much guarantee you that whatever example you send me is not going to be a defense of genocide, it’s just going to be some opinion you disagree with which you are pretending implies support for genocide, so you don’t have to engage with what it actually says.
No, what you can promise me is that you’ll attempt to rationalize it as something it’s not, the same way you’re going to great lengths to try to whitewash FlyingSquid. The problem with that is, you’re just some random idiot on Lemmy, and I don’t care if you’re delusional or not, so I don’t see why I should take that kind of time debating you. I don’t care if you agree with me or not, so there’s no benefit in it for me whatsoever.
You messaged me, man. There wasn’t benefit for you in typing up your opinion in the first place, either. If you’re willing to spend time yelling about how it is, but not willing to demonstrate how it actually is when asked questions about it, then I’m going to draw the obvious conclusion.
In my experience FlyingSquid tends to participate in the stupid and toxic aspects of the communities he’s policing but doesn’t stoop to abusing the power, certainly not to the extent of others I’ve seen. i.e. I think he could do more positive actions to build a good community but he doesn’t use as many negative actions to actively harm the community.
Lemmy.world is kinda lame in general though, especially when it comes to politics. Very narrow minded and like a bunch of piranhas when it comes to suppressing dissent. If you are easing into lemmy from Reddit you’ll feel right at home there.
They definitely will abuse it randomly. I know they’re going through lots of shit but damn they have a very hair trigger
Do you have an example of this?
Lemmy.World mods are extremely Zionist and frequently ban users for saying anything remotely pro Palestinian or making a claim about Israel without evidence.
Saying 20.000 killed Palestinians were Hamas without evidence to justify the genocide however, is totally fine.
A very open Zionist “gedeliyah” got promoted to mod on their news community.
Imagine being a regular person with no dog in this race personally and still going yeah, genocide seems good.
I just checked. It was two days ago, but the story about Amnesty International declaring it a genocide is still on the second page of results on !world@lemmy.world, and the very top story on !news@lemmy.world after a series of ones about the United shooting is about Israel killing an American family right after the US government told them where they were so they could avoid killing them.
If the lemmy.world mods are banning people for saying anything remotely pro-Palestinian, they must be busy with something else right now. Are you sure that someone wasn’t calling for Israeli civilians to be killed, or something, and got banned for that? Because that might seem similar, to someone with a particular type of mindset, but it’s not the same thing, and pretending it’s that first thing when it’s the second is dishonest.
You assume they have no dog in the race.
It’s the most likely option. Unless your conspiratorial but I try not to be
Zionist “gedeliyah”
Do you have any example of this ?
He constantly brings up Hamas at every thread about Israel committing crimes and never condemns the IDF. The both sidesing is way too obvious.
Alright, found this post: https://lemmy.world/post/21895613
That is one good example but still pretty milquetoast. I’m talking full on articles about Israel openly calling for genocide and that mod barges in with the ‘actually there are a few bad apples in Israel but that genocide thing is really what Hamas to do to Israel.’
And after doing that for a few months that the LemmyWorld team decided “yeah this guy has what it takes to become a mod here”.
Their modlog has several examples as well.
If you have any link, feel free to share
Here you go https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/14127174
They fully admit it and say it’s okay they are one because it brings balance to the news mod team.
Again, is there a link?
I’m not pro or against them, but it’s generally easier to use links to posts or comments when discussing this kind of statements
I didn’t save the occurances of it.
But this is one I was thinking of
Thanks
The infamous “they”
???
I’ve found the news ones even worse
I wish it would be true, maybe there wouldn’t be so many terrorist sympathizers on the biggest Lemmy instance in that case
Anticommunist also supports genocide, shocking.
Removed by mod
I was banned from c/politics by that same mod because of bullshit reasons too. They’re a petty tyrant who can’t handle anything that might disrupt their echo chamber.
I just stopped activity in all places that mod had power in. I already had issues with news on lw.
Going to migrate instances later.
I feel the separation between staff and user has already been entrenched.
Looking at modlogs, at times the given reasons show to me at least that they, the mods, have grown tired and are now settling on getting rid of potential trouble rather than fixing it.
Experienced can also mean jaded and in that state of mind you no longer care about circumstances, you just want to get shit done so you’ll be rid of another stress you don’t want to deal with.
Mods also need a timeout. The volunteer excuse can only work for so long. A way has to be found to prevent them from feeling like they’re in a deadend job where they’re only greeted with hostility. We need a mod relaxation and decompression program.
Moderation is like politics, and inherently attracts the most narcissistic and authoritarian, so it must be decentralized. As in users have to mod 1 comment/post for every n number of comments/posts they post &/or read after they’ve been active n number of months, but it would need to be done by averaging moderation across a random sample of users; preferencing users who are least bias and more trusted over time (but without growing dependent on them or their own safe spaces). I’d be happy to mod if it were an occasional part of participation, but I don’t want to mod everything, or it to be expected of me when I’m busy with life, or to do it permanently.
FYI Lemmy will ultimately fail because the lead dev is a pathetic despot tankie manchild, as bad as the worst mods on reddit. He created Lemmy to admin ml as his own safe space. He will never give up the power it’s given him. It will need to be forked to solve the core problems.
FYI Lemmy will ultimately fail because the lead dev is a pathetic despot tankie manchild, as bad as the worst mods on reddit.
Fork it and move on.
MLs and not giving up power, name a more perfect duo
As in users have to mod 1 comment/post for every n number of comments/posts they post &/or read after they’ve been active n number of months, but it would need to be done by averaging moderation across a random sample of users; preferencing users who are least bias and more trusted over time (but without growing dependent on them or their own safe spaces)
Nice idea. Mods are hard to find indeed, and this system could help
Pallastinian:
That cat also has a right to self defense.
And I’d wager it doesn’t have any doubt about it.
So excluding people due to a potential: innocent mistake, minor lack of knowledge, language difference (as simple as UK vs US English, and or different spelling from a different language you might speak. Either way, if you look it up, the spelling you used is not uncommon, it’s even used in some MSM reports and documentaries), learning and or one of many other disabilities, shit device.
And they say we create echo chambers when we want to get away from such bullshit.
The fancy name for that is “linguistic prejudice”. It’s as old as language, and deeply ingrained in human societies, and it’s typically subconscious - like, you don’t even know why you don’t like a certain feature, until you try to find which groups use it.
With that said, if I saw someone spell “palastinian” I’d expect the person to be an English monolingual. Native speakers tend to remember words by their spoken form (non-native ones often do it by the written form), and /ə/ can be represented by ⟨a⟩ or ⟨e⟩ there anyway.
I love the link by the way. Good example of the issue.
wtf is it with lemmy world mods. you think this is reddit? do you want your instance to be an echo champer or want users to just leave and join another?
Clearly you are faking your outrage if you can’t spell “chamber”. You’re rumbled. Banned for trolling.
Lemmy.World so federated it is ran by the feds.
Yes that is exactly what they want sadly
Not surprised, Jordan is one of the fucking worst. If not number one at least number two worst mod on all of Lemmy.
jordanlund’s modding is very questionable.
does he know how to mod or he is just doing based on his feelz?
Lemmy has become Reddit
I got perma banned from reddit for telling pedophiles in the doctor disrespect community that regardless of legality, fucking a 16 year old makes you a scumbag. Funny that.
I was banned by an admin for asking a mod why I was banned.
Some places have become like reddit. The saving grace is it never all will. The joy of federation is you can always leave the places they control.
*world showing they want to be reddit but with 3rd party apps
with 4chan mixed in
I have said it multiple times (many times removed) but Jordanlund and Flyingsquid are Jewish Supremacists that are pro-Israel in everything but name. They will show up to anything remotely Israel to defend Israel while saying they aren’t for Israel.
At least FlyingSquid has somewhat of a personality and comments on every day things without making every comment into a battle, even if most of his comments are shit. Can’t say the same for Jordanlund.
Make no mistake though, their dogmatic, cosmically inflated, egotistical god complex is visible from space.
That’s part of my problem with him, though. He comments on everyday things far too much. His comments are frequently inane and have very little discussion value.
Sometimes, if you don’t have anything useful to say, it’s better just to not say anything at all.
Ehhhhh, I don’t agree there. I like just common banter being acceptable. I’m not trying to gatekeep anyone from having conversation.
This might be the worst one I’ve seen on here.
Edit: Also, this is why trolling shouldn’t be against the rules… it’s way too subjective and always ends up getting abused by shitty mods. I get that people don’t like trolling but it’s better to be specific and ban the obnoxious things trolls do instead of trying to speculate about their state of mind.
it’s better to be specific and ban the obnoxious things trolls do instead of trying to speculate about their state of mind.
I couldn’t agree more with this.
The difference between a troll and a genuine poster is intention - but nobody knows someone else’s intentions. And mods should not act based on what they don’t know.
Hmm, yeah i thought trolling is specific enough but after some thought it could mean prank(in a good way) or deliberately provoke with inflammatory statement without the intention of debate. So i agree.
Bad faith should absolutely be punished, for its own sake, and by name. But permanent bans are the dumbest thing a moderator can do. It guarantees nobody learns. It chases people to new accounts. It gives people every reason to go behind your back and tell people you’re a power-tripping bastard.
What needs tolerance is telling trolls to fuck off. Even when their actions don’t rise to whatever asinine cutoff a moderator thinks trolling is - forcing people to play nice with dishonest assholes is psychic vampirism. They fundamentally need to be taken seriously, for their bullshit to work. ‘Assume good faith or else!’ is a gift to trolls.
In theory this sounds good but in practice it has problems. First, not everyone agrees on what constitutes bad faith interactions, as that’s a poorly defined term to begin with. So first you’d have to build consensus around that. Secondly, most definitions are going to revolve around the user’s state of mind, which isn’t possible to know and in my experience is often misunderstood due to the sometimes heated nature of online discourse.
So how is it fairly enforced? If this question can be answered to my satisfaction, then i agree. But I don’t think it can be. Therefore the best approach is to build rules and examples of bad behavior that are objectively verifiable. If these are comprehensive enough then the trolling and bad faith issues will be solved but we won’t have people getting banned for being bad at spelling or other BS you see on this com.
not everyone agrees
As opposed to when?
Trying to define shitty human behavior objectively is a fool’s errand. People can be bastards beyond defense, in perfectly G-rated language. Forums with a mile-long list of nitpicky little rules are miserable compared to any straightforward version of ‘don’t be an asshole without a good reason.’
