This was in Lemmy world politics.

  • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    671·
    5 days ago

    finally a space to diss on jordanlund bless 😭

    i was banned by this mod for politely noting how certain comments lead to escalation of inappropriate behavior. i noted how by bantering with infringing accounts after comment removal, !world@lemmy.world mods actually increased the work they needed to do to remove abusive content and amplified toxic voices as a whole. i used no unkind language and really at the time i genuinely hoped for improvement to the quality of the community.

    their response?

    • permabanned
    • for “mod abuse”
    • one month after i made the post in question

    don’t use !world@lemmy.world. their entire mod team is dedicated to just kind of fucking around in a sandbox with thousands of users, not to creating a space for genuine constructive world news engagement. preferably also just stop using lemmy.world when possible.

  • Clbull@lemmy.world
    14·
    4 days ago

    There are three things that are certain in life: death, taxes and internet moderators being power tripping cucks.

  • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    100·
    6 days ago

    Power tripping bastard for sure, banning someone for misspelling words? If anything that makes him look like a troll, not the OP.

    • insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      262·
      6 days ago

      I swear I’ve seen this same situation some time ago including with the exact misspelling. Could be a coincidence, though.

      EDIT: searching misspelling banned gives a comment by OP from 23 days ago (but the post is gone). I’m assuming what I remember seeing was probably this post before it was deleted and reposted.

  • Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org
    424·
    5 days ago

    Lemmy.World mods are extremely Zionist and frequently ban users for saying anything remotely pro Palestinian or making a claim about Israel without evidence.

    Saying 20.000 killed Palestinians were Hamas without evidence to justify the genocide however, is totally fine.

    A very open Zionist “gedeliyah” got promoted to mod on their news community.

  • laverabe@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    5 days ago

    It’s a systematic problem. The large LW communities have a stranglehold that prevents new ones from taking hold.

    For Lemmy to improve, there needs to be a very easy way to find new communities, particularly on different instances!

    Currently there is no way to navigate communities on other instances without a direct keyword search, or by opening a private window to get the link directly from the other server as a logged off user. Clicking the ‘Communities’ link also needs to default to rising new communities, and not to existing communities.

    There also needs to be a major change to the hot/active sorting algorithm to favor small communities with higher engagement % over large ones with higher net upvotes (lower engagement %). The top ten communities should be changing from month to month - otherwise large communities will only get further entrenched and moderation will only get worse.

    This is a change that the devs would have to implement. Otherwise dbzer0 or lemmyzip or whatever other server that grows next will just eventually turn into LW and the same problem will repeat.

    Does anyone know if these ideas have already been discussed in a closed pull request?

  • AresUII@lemmy.world
    711·
    6 days ago

    Because it’s clearly normal for your typography and patience to improve when you’re pissed off

  • answersplease77@lemmy.world
    28·
    5 days ago

    wtf is it with lemmy world mods. you think this is reddit? do you want your instance to be an echo champer or want users to just leave and join another?

      • borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        27·
        6 days ago

        “Against me? No. The differentiator I experience is because I’m male. I’ve had a lot of anti-male sentiment. I lost a job because of it. Because somebody didn’t like having talking to a guy. Such is life.”

        This is some borderline incel bullshit here.

        • Notyou@sopuli.xyz
          14·
          5 days ago

          I’m sure there is nothing else to the ‘I lost my job because somebody didn’t like having to talk to a guy’ thing either.

          • borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            16·
            5 days ago

            That’s kind of what I meant by the incel thing. To be it reads like “I was talking to coworkers in a terribly sexist and misogynistic manner and I got fired. That’s how a TOP 1% MAN speaks, so obviously I got fired because someone doesn’t like having to talk to a man, not because I’m a piece of shit with no self-awareness.”

            The whole bit about sympathizing with the BLM protesters but wishing they would protest in places where cops have actually shot people instead of in his city because it inconvenienced him screams that he’s unaware of both his privilege and his power, which only reinforces the whole lack of self-awareness thing.

        • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
          141·
          5 days ago

          You ever read one thing about someone, and all of a sudden, everything about them comes into focus and makes sense?

      • JokeDeity@lemm.ee
        14·
        5 days ago

        LMFAO, a picture really is worth a million words. How does he look EXACTLY like you’d imagine a permanently online troll would?

      • leftytighty@slrpnk.netEnglish
        141·
        5 days ago

        Incredible lol, built to be a lemmy.world mod. Liberal final boss material. Holy shit.

        • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
          4·
          5 days ago

          So their profile picture used to be a picture similar to that. And now theirs is a picture of I voted in Oregon…

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          4 days ago

          I’m having trouble believing an article titled “White Progressive Discovers Portland’s Unwanted Reputation” isn’t satire.

    • leftytighty@slrpnk.netEnglish
      142·
      5 days ago

      In my experience FlyingSquid tends to participate in the stupid and toxic aspects of the communities he’s policing but doesn’t stoop to abusing the power, certainly not to the extent of others I’ve seen. i.e. I think he could do more positive actions to build a good community but he doesn’t use as many negative actions to actively harm the community.

      Lemmy.world is kinda lame in general though, especially when it comes to politics. Very narrow minded and like a bunch of piranhas when it comes to suppressing dissent. If you are easing into lemmy from Reddit you’ll feel right at home there.

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
      2911·
      6 days ago

      Wait, what? FlyingSquid seems fine. In the only drama I saw involving them, it seemed to me like they were in the right. I asked someone who was all heated up about what a POS they were for some details or examples, and literally all they could come up with was a single un-called for message FlyingSquid sent to one user months ago, which for a full-time moderator means they’re way ahead of the curve.

      Edit: Maybe I should ask for examples, what did FlyingSquid do?

      • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
        214·
        6 days ago

        I’ve seen FS straight up lie when banning people, making up excuses etc. For a period they even followed me around commenting on nearly everything I did trying to harass me until I called him out and the “coincidental” replies magically stopped.

        FS is worse than JL from every interaction I’ve had with eirher. JL I can see having a bit of common sense and maturity.

          • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
            22·
            5 days ago

            Not without spending time digging through his post history. Which after working so many 12 hour days this week I am in no mood to do.

            I’m not here to make people take my side, this is simply my opinion of him based on my year of interactions.

            • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
              51·
              5 days ago

              Fair enough. I think I can just search for the following you around behavior you described, and take a look at it and see how it seems to me.

              Not that I’m doubting you necessarily, but there is some pretty wild revisionist history in these comments, all of it not matching the evidence on examination and all of it pointing to exactly the same conclusion, which is pretty weird. So I’d like to look for myself.

          • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            55·
            5 days ago

            I don’t know why you’re so invested in trying to whitewash FS, but what makes you think you trying to discredit the many experiences with others is going to change anyone’s mind about the worst mod on Lemmy? Your opinion on the experiences of others doesn’t mean shit.

      • WhyFlip@lemmy.world
        11·
        5 days ago

        Guy never admits he’s wrong, ever. And I love the fact that he’s married with a kid and seems to be online 24/7.

        • refalo@programming.dev
          4·
          5 days ago

          And they’re arguably wrong a LOT. Not only that but everything is always black and white with them, there is no grey area or different perspectives possible.

          As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          4 days ago

          I think he’s partially disabled or something, which is how he has so much free time. I feel like he’s said something like that, or that he has some kind of chronic condition.

          Which is no excuse for having shit netizen behavior.

        • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
          32·
          5 days ago

          Yeah. I haven’t seen FS abuse his power, but man he will just be clearly in the wrong side of an argument and refuse to admit it. Not somebody I enjoy having a debate with, but he keeps his personal disagreements separate from his mod role, and I respect that.

      • finderscultEnglish
        122·
        6 days ago

        They argue with users and ban them if they feel they’ve lost the discussion. They’re also incredibly quick to ban for “trolling” like a lot of le epik reddit mods turned .world superusers.

        • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
          42·
          6 days ago

          They argue with users and ban them if they feel they’ve lost the discussion.

          Can you give an example? Someone else tried to claim this just now, and when I looked into it, the claim was laughably false.

        • Iceblade@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          111·
          5 days ago

          From what I’ve seen FlyingSquid tends to be quite fair when moderating, doesn’t abuse the mod tools and is quite respectful and civil outside of the mod role. On occasion I’ve had disagreements and civil arguments with squid, and not once has the hammer been used as a conversation-ending argument.

          Jordan however…

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
            93·
            5 days ago

            I’ve asked people over and over for a single example of FlyingSquid doing this. Only one person has responded, and that was with an “example” where neither the argument with FlyingSquid nor FlyingSquid being the one that banned them was truthful. This is one of the reasons I think this is a deliberate attempt to start destructive rumors about him.

            Edit: Someone else has now given an example. They had said that someone was, among other things, a “fucking shitwit,” “self righteous piece of subhuman filth,” “a fucking idiot,” “fucking brain dead,” “your argument is stupid and you deserve what the republicans are gonna do to you,” and that they “hope it’s painful and prolonged.” Then they got a three day ban, and then said the ban was a way for FlyingSquid to wield his mod powers to “win” the argument against their clearly superior position.

        • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
          511·
          6 days ago

          There’s a firmly held belief by a certain segment of the community that everyone on Lemmy is liberals who will ban you if you are anti-genocide. Everyone on Lemmy is anti-genocide. Complaining that it’s full of these liberals and pro-genocide people is just a way to do some aggrieved whining whenever someone is disagreeing with some total nonsense. “We need to hate on Biden because genocide” “Yes but Trump is ten times worse” “Oh I see, you’re one of those pro-genocide people trying to censor me” is roughly how it goes.

          • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            113·
            5 days ago

            Everyone on Lemmy is anti-genocide.

            I’m gonna quote that, just because it’s so fucking stupid and I think it needs emphasis to show how disconnected you obviously are.

            • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
              1·
              5 days ago

              Most people are anti-genocide. I think many people do not agree on what genocide is. There’s a large segment of people who believe Israel is in a perpetual existential crisis, surrounded by countries full of people who think Israel shouldn’t exist and that pretty much goes for Jews in general; and that Israel is merely defending itself. Personally, while I do agree that Israel is surrounded by a lot of people who don’t think it should exist, I also believe this does not justify their (collective) behaviors: the settlements, and the genocide in Palestinian.

              So the person you replied to was, I think, saying that most people oppose Genocide, many disagree on whether what Israel is doing is genocide, and a few would like to see some ethnic and/or cultural groups entirely eradicated. I agree with GP that the last group is relatively small.

            • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
              45·
              5 days ago

              Maybe I should have said “99%”, I have seen some overtly pro-Israel users. They’re pretty few and far between, though. The vast majority of the time, it’s someone using a lazy strawman to attack someone by pretending they like genocide, instead of dealing directly with what they’re saying.

              Can you link me to some examples of defense of genocide? I can pretty much guarantee you that whatever example you send me is not going to be a defense of genocide, it’s just going to be some opinion you disagree with which you are pretending implies support for genocide, so you don’t have to engage with what it actually says.

              • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                63·
                5 days ago

                No, what you can promise me is that you’ll attempt to rationalize it as something it’s not, the same way you’re going to great lengths to try to whitewash FlyingSquid. The problem with that is, you’re just some random idiot on Lemmy, and I don’t care if you’re delusional or not, so I don’t see why I should take that kind of time debating you. I don’t care if you agree with me or not, so there’s no benefit in it for me whatsoever.

                • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
                  63·
                  5 days ago

                  You messaged me, man. There wasn’t benefit for you in typing up your opinion in the first place, either. If you’re willing to spend time yelling about how it is, but not willing to demonstrate how it actually is when asked questions about it, then I’m going to draw the obvious conclusion.

  • lath@lemmy.world
    33·
    6 days ago

    I feel the separation between staff and user has already been entrenched.

    Looking at modlogs, at times the given reasons show to me at least that they, the mods, have grown tired and are now settling on getting rid of potential trouble rather than fixing it.

    Experienced can also mean jaded and in that state of mind you no longer care about circumstances, you just want to get shit done so you’ll be rid of another stress you don’t want to deal with.

    Mods also need a timeout. The volunteer excuse can only work for so long. A way has to be found to prevent them from feeling like they’re in a deadend job where they’re only greeted with hostility. We need a mod relaxation and decompression program.

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      158·
      6 days ago

      Moderation is like politics, and inherently attracts the most narcissistic and authoritarian, so it must be decentralized. As in users have to mod 1 comment/post for every n number of comments/posts they post &/or read after they’ve been active n number of months, but it would need to be done by averaging moderation across a random sample of users; preferencing users who are least bias and more trusted over time (but without growing dependent on them or their own safe spaces). I’d be happy to mod if it were an occasional part of participation, but I don’t want to mod everything, or it to be expected of me when I’m busy with life, or to do it permanently.

      FYI Lemmy will ultimately fail because the lead dev is a pathetic despot tankie manchild, as bad as the worst mods on reddit. He created Lemmy to admin ml as his own safe space. He will never give up the power it’s given him. It will need to be forked to solve the core problems.

      • Optional@lemmy.world
        81·
        5 days ago

        FYI Lemmy will ultimately fail because the lead dev is a pathetic despot tankie manchild, as bad as the worst mods on reddit.

        Fork it and move on.

      • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
        1·
        5 days ago

        As in users have to mod 1 comment/post for every n number of comments/posts they post &/or read after they’ve been active n number of months, but it would need to be done by averaging moderation across a random sample of users; preferencing users who are least bias and more trusted over time (but without growing dependent on them or their own safe spaces)

        Nice idea. Mods are hard to find indeed, and this system could help

  • njm1314@lemmy.world
    25·
    5 days ago

    Not surprised, Jordan is one of the fucking worst. If not number one at least number two worst mod on all of Lemmy.