• anomnom@sh.itjust.works
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        As long as you aren’t one of the 17-40% of miscarriages (depending on your mom’s age).

        If you’re a bit more unlucky, and in an adoration ban state, you might take your erstwhile mom out too!

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      What makes me quite anxious is this:

      • Many people,.using logic and rational thought decide not to have children
      • Many people don’t think and just breed by ‘accident’

      Where does this end? The smarter,.more responsible people voluntarily genocide themselves,. leaving the world to idiots?

      If you’re a good person, maybe you have a responsibility to have more children, to make the world a better place in the future.

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      The most annoying thing is all the awful spelling and lack of punctuation I’ve seen on all the major platforms in recent years. None of today’s kids can spell for shit. This is what happens when you’re raised by a tablet.

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      Undergoing pregnancy and childbirth, regardless of the baby’s gender, just got much more dangerous. In the country that already has the highest maternal mortality rate of all “developed” nations.

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    I have three children born under obama. That their formative years were under trump was a difficult pill to swallow, but they were young. Now all three will become teenagers during this fucking nightmare.

    I’m so pissed off, my job is so much harder now you fuckers.

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    Go beyond, and beware the common regurgitated talking points, if you care for human rights, a better tomorrow and world liberated from authoritarianism, heirarchal domination, state class and money:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeADcAaeDAg

    It is a great injustice that the poor are denied the resources and means to start families. I extend that to non-traditional families, even beyond those that involve birth. Adoption I am told is incredibly difficult. As a trans woman with many chosen family who need to escape hostile situations, we are, as a big queer diaspora, in our own way denied generational wealth and greatly inhibited in the means of persisting our culture.

    This is a topic that leftists should not cede ground on, certainly not so easily as is common

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    I really do get the sentiment, but I also think about my grandparents who grew up during the great depression and then fought WWII, or really all the incredibly shitty times to be alive throughout history

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      Where has all that gotten us though? In the interim we’ve made the world less habitable yet more expensive to live in. I don’t want to raise kids just to watch them struggle to make ends meet (as I also struggle to make ends meet)

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      And there were birth rate dips during those times. WWII only caused a baby boom because it ended and all those soldiers came back horny as hell.

      The Great Depression caused a massive drop in Birth rates that took years to recover from, and WWII saw big fluctuations in birth rates until it was over.

      This hesitation is normal, people don’t want to have kids when the future is uncertain.

      Source

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      What’s with the whataboutism? Just because our ancestors acted imorrally doesn’t make it OK to do the same

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        Putting current events in historical context is not even remotely “whataboutism.” And it sounds like you’re saying your ancestors acted immorally for having children, which may be arguable…

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          And it sounds like you’re saying your ancestors acted immorally for having children

          I’m saying they acted immorally if they willingly conceived a child during a World War or the great depression

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    Just adopt. Breeding is stupid

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        If theres a child out there suffering, its definitely more moral to take them in and give them love and support rather than creating a child that will possibly just end up resenting you for bringing them into such a fucked up world.

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          Yeah. They address that. In excrucitiating detail. Listen, enough running circles abour it on boards. Just…watch the video, or read, i think the author’s long form written reponse which is even more exhaustive.

          Bc you can say that but then when you get into the actual root cause analysis and solutions you recognize you cant simply wave the issue off with “just adopt”, and you begin to recognize the callousness, unrealistic expecration, classism and outright anti-intellectual dismissiveness such a write-off amounts to.

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            watch the video

            Its three hours long no thanks.

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              Ok.

              If someone’s thinking about a lifelong decision, it’s well worth that 3 hours of being spoonfed the dozens hours of research that went into it.

              (That’s just for whoever passes by to read this. I do not care what you do personally.)

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                Being spoonfed dozens of hours of cherry-picked research is exactly the problem with lots of “youtube research” like this.

                One could do another 3 hour video on the subject “Natalism is the tool of the nazis” also rooted in cherry-picked sources.

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                  you’re aware this logic applies to any information in any form, yes? that’s why you need to engage critically with a text, not just numbly accept or dismiss them…

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              did you read the rest of the comment? this is a topic worth taking seriously rather than be flippantly dismissive.

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        Wtf? It may be A tool of Nazis, but it is certainly not THE tool of Nazis.

        Moreover, it is better to adopt a child than to spawn one. You can do whatever you like, but there are hundreds of thousands of kids out there without families.

        At the end of the day, you can do what you like, but mass adoption is a positive for our society.

        I have no idea how this is supposed to play into Nazi talking points and I don’t really give a fuck.

        I will happily die on the hill that adoption is better for everyone than birthing more children into society. However, these do not have to be mutually exclusive. It is perfectly possible to do both, and that may be the best outcome overall.

        Obligatory: Fuck Nazis

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          Prefiguration must go past some vision of mass adoption, abandon the model of society which capitalism has rendered, and land us on something much more equitable. It is lazy, irresponsible…literally erasing entire cultures (the nazi shit), to rely on mass adoption wherein only the privileged have children. Not to mention entirely unrealistic, with the lot of them not interested in the first place.

          Allowing the existing class dynamics to persist, along with the greater empire and global system of explotation, can end only as all empires do, in ruin.

          So I’ve abandoned the simpler “oh just adopt” and i can see that’s triggered a commenter or too 🤷‍♀️

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            That’s a lotta words. To bad I’m not… Readin’ em.

            Mainly because you’re trying to come off as some pseudo intellectual and I have zero time for your self aggrandizing bullshit. Therefore, we’ll have chatgpt analyze it for us.


            The comment seems to be critiquing the notion that adopting children from orphanages is a simple, universally moral solution to systemic issues related to inequality, privilege, and exploitation. Here’s a breakdown:

            Key Argument: They’re rejecting the “just adopt” narrative as a solution to broader societal problems. They argue that relying on adoption as a widespread practice might erase cultural identities, perpetuate systemic inequities (like class dynamics and imperialism), and disproportionately benefit the privileged. They also point out that this narrative is unrealistic because most people aren’t inclined to adopt anyway.

            Tone and Delivery: While their frustration seems genuine, the comment still reads as unnecessarily combative and self-congratulatory. Phrases like “lazy, irresponsible… literally erasing entire cultures” and “the nazi shit” feel exaggerated and detract from the argument. The shrug emoji caps it off with a dismissive tone, implying they don’t care if others disagree.

            Content Validity: There are valid critiques of child adoption as a systemic “fix” for larger issues, such as:

            The exploitation of vulnerable families in the adoption industry.

            The erasure of cultural identity, especially in cases of transracial or international adoption.

            The fact that adoption doesn’t address the root causes of why children are in orphanages in the first place (poverty, war, etc.).

            However, the way they present these points muddles the argument and risks alienating readers who might otherwise agree.

            Final Thought: Their argument has merit but is undermined by the delivery. A clearer, less confrontational approach would help communicate their concerns more effectively without alienating people. For example:

            “Adoption can be a compassionate choice for individuals, but framing it as a universal solution to systemic problems ignores the deeper issues of inequality, exploitation, and cultural erasure. It’s important to address the root causes—like poverty and global inequities—rather than relying on a model that often benefits the privileged.”


            And that’s where I disagree. If adoption were pushed as a societal norm, as in something that occurs as often as having a child the old fashioned way, then all of society would benefit massively.

            No one is suggesting putting a stop to people having children. What is being suggested is that people be encouraged to adopt as well as have children, or to choose one or the other.

            Additionally, it is not being proposed as a universal solution, if that was indeed your intention.

            For example, some women may prefer to have children without having their bodies fundamentally altered.