• kava@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    “keep the Americans in, the Germans down, and the Russians out”

    best thing for America is to prolong this war as long as possible.

    • Sanctus@lemmy.world
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      6 hours ago

      The best thing would have been to fund Ukraine a lot early in and knock Russia down on the cheap. But you have a point thats probably the next best thing geopolitically. The red blooded american in me is just mad we didnt take the chance at an old enemy.

      • massive_bereavement@fedia.io
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        4 hours ago

        In fact, Ukraine had the initiative a couple of times, but offensives are costly and then Congress decided that they will find as many excuses as possible to ensure no equipment was to be sent for a very long time.

        And every time some museum pieces at piecemeal quantities were sent, it was usually through much fanfare.

        So much was lost and so much was bled, and in the hour of need we broke our promises.

      • kava@lemmy.world
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        4 hours ago

        American goals in Ukraine are

        • make Russia pay dearly for every inch of land they take in Ukraine

        • use this opportunity to give a nice cash injection to our defense contractors

        • gather as much intel & data on both Russia & the modern battlefield in general. Sort of like the Spanish Civil War before WW2. A playground to test out new technologies

        These goals have already been accomplished. It’s been a great couple years in terms of hurting Russia for cheap.

        We want to prolong this war as long as possible. A Ukrainian victory would be just as bad as a Ukrainian loss. It’s why we modulate our aid carefully. Like Chomsky was saying before his stroke - “we will fight them to the last Ukrainian”

        I think a lot of people get blinded by propaganda in the moment. Even people who retroactively would be able to see it just fine (try and find someone who believes Iraq was a justified war) strongly believe the party lines.

        Reality is American interests and Ukrainian interests are not aligned.

      • Archer@lemmy.world
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        4 hours ago

        Some of the gear in Ukraine right now was literally created to fight the Soviet Union. Incredible that we didn’t send it all right away, one of the biggest defense blunders of this century, easily