• ThermonuclearEgg [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    9 hours ago

    I want to explicitly preface this comment to state that lib bio-essentialism isn’t the solution. I just need some theory to know what is the answer.

    That said, what kind of response do you expect ButtBidet to give? If ButtBidet says no, you effectively get:

    #notallmen

    https://www.zawn.net/blog/hello-youve-reached-the-not-all-men-hotline

    If ButtBidet says yes, the justification that follows would be on the basis of the patriarchy existing and putting men in a privileged position… which seems to be wandering right back into lib bio-essentialism territory.

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      If ButtBidet says yes, the justification that follows would be on the basis of the patriarchy existing and putting men in a privileged position… which seems to be wandering right back into lib bio-essentialism territory.

      What.

      No, the patriarchy existing is not bio-essentialism! Neither is white supremacy existing race realism! What the fuck! These are social systems that justify themselves through such pseudoscience but in reality are 100% social and thus can be overthrown.

      • ThermonuclearEgg [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        No, the patriarchy existing is not bio-essentialism

        I wasn’t intending to claim that — the patriarchy can and should be overthrown. The patriarchy harms people of all genders.

        I was thinking of a particular line of reasoning following from it to justify men deserving hate (for instance, “men deserve hate on account of being men, because they are in a system where they are privileged”) might be though.

        I guess you’re right that a better line of reasoning could follow, e.g. men, exploiting this position of privilege and thus inflicting harm, deserve hate as a result.

    • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]@hexbear.net
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      Really I was just trying to laconically poke at the notion that “men deserve hate” without having any specific answer in mind. I figured that if the question amounts to “Is your own statement true?”, and the question could not be answered with either a simple yes or a simple no, that it would become apparent that something was wrong with the statement itself.