No President has the right to use unilateral executive authority to permit a U.S. missile strike against another nation. It invites a retaliatory attack. It is an impeachable offense.
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No President has the right to use unilateral executive authority to permit a U.S. missile strike against another nation. It invites a retaliatory attack. It is an impeachable offense.
And this is not happening – the US President is telling Ukrainian forces that they no longer have limitations on targets they can use American supplied weapons on. There is no US missile strike. The US no longer owns those missiles. Ukraine plays within the rules because if it doesn’t there’s a chance it might not get more weapons later.
Also how was this line of argumentation applied in the last like 25 years for like:
- Yemen
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Syria
- etc.
Sure it happened, but nothing came of it, because it’s just not a real argument anyway. It holds no power. It’s liberal cope.
The US no longer owns those missiles.
It does insomuch as they are operated by US personnel. From what I’ve heard, Ukrainians haven’t even been given training on operating them, and they rely on US-operated targeting infrastructure to even function.
It does insomuch as they are operated by US personnel.
They aren’t.
If the US pulled all support tomorrow, would Ukraine still be able to use HIMARS and ATACMS? Yes. Would they be as effective using them? No. And it’s not because of a lack of training or US personel pushing the buttons. It’s about the fact that US main support is providing intelligence and target selection capabilities that Ukraine cannot practically do itself.
It does insomuch as they are operated by US personnel.
They aren’t.
If you say so, boss. We’ve had troops on the ground since even before the war started.
Okay let’s say you’re right, the US has de facto direct involvement in the Russia-Ukraine War on the side of Ukraine.
Does that mean US currently has a valid cassus beli against North Korea?
What a weird non sequitur. The US does whatever it wants to, and everything it does is definitionally valid. The rules-based international order is: the US makes up rules and orders everyone around. Which is why the US is the greatest pariah to actual international law, and to world peace.
Sure. You’re right. So you have 2 theoretical worlds
- There is no system, America does what they want because they’re the strongest evilest ever
- There is a system that we agree on and that defines what is lets say “polite” and “impolite”.
By arguing about the “realpolitik” of it and the “akshually there’s direct Involvement from Americans” you’re arguing in world 2. By arguing about how the US does what it wants you’re arguing in world 1.
My point is that by arguing in world 2 and agreeing to the Russian points, you must also agree to their consequences in that by agreeing that America has direct involvement, and North Korea having direct involvement gives America a rightful cassus beli.
I don’t disagree with your point at all. All I’m saying is that you either need to agree to a system that may have side effects you don’t like / don’t support, or you need to agree to might makes right and there’s no real argument that America “cannot do these things”.
In short, tell me why this matters, you can decide the terrain and I’ll conceed a fair amount of points, but you just have to accept consequences. World 1 America does what it wants, the question doesn’t matter. World 2 if we’re taking your argument at face value that the Russians are right, America is actually a direct party to the war, which means America can rightfully drone strike Pyongyang tomorrow
My argument here in general is that regardless that America has the biggest swingingest dick in the room, doesn’t mean that other countries aren’t all also swinging their dicks, and we have to make sense of this somehow otherwise there’s no point and America should just win because it’s the biggest evilest guy.
agree to might makes right
I see, we’re playing word games.
I will never “agree”—in the sense of “accept as a moral truth”—that “might makes right;” I will only acknowledge that it in fact can and often does make “right.” But not “right” as in “moral” or “reasonable” or “desirable,” but “right” as in “what actually ends up happening.”
why am i more disquieted by the fact that trump has a good quality in ending the war than the prospect of it escalating into nuclear war?
Because liberal brainwashing is hard to shake and they’ve painted Trump as the next Hitler when he’s just the monopoly man if he was hit on the head as a child, i.e. just a politician that’s maybe a little dumber than normal.
Trump will do whatever old money wants him to do, Elon and Trump will learn who actually runs the country, and who actually has wealth if they stray from what old money wants.
As far as anyone can tell old money wants the world to burn in a way they believe is reversible, which isn’t nuclear war.
It’s hard to imagine that someone has deeper pockets than the richest man in the world
He’s just a noveau riche, he can have as much money he wants but he don’t have the entrenched position and that entire root system of connections they have which gives them real power.
The Rothschilds collectively are the wealthiest in the world that we know about, excluding figurehead royalty due to disputes on what they actually own and how to separate them from the state.
One important thing to know is that wealth isn’t publicly listed anywhere. The vast majority of it is self reported. Sure if you own enough stock as a percentage of a company’s total you get publicly listed, and theoretically if you’re stupid your real assets are in your name, but that isnt how wealth is held. Wealth is held in private corporations, estates, and trusts, layers of them. It’s why the wealthy can avoid taxes in the first place, there is no accurate measure of it all.
Those Forbes lists, for example? Entirely self reported, famously so as that’s how Trump was ever listed as a billionaire despite (best reporting and federal investigations showing) him never having any combination of assets that could be totaled near a billion.
The real people with the real wealth, not tech bros with overvalued stock, don’t have assets directly attributable to them anymore, they learned their lesson back when American workers fought the US military for basic workers rights and Russian workers were beheading tsars.
