Summary

Following Donald Trump’s recent election victory, Google searches for “4B,” a South Korean feminist movement advocating a “no sex, no dating, no marriage, no children” stance, surged in the U.S.

The 4B movement, popular among young women on social media, promotes individual resistance against conservative politics and the erosion of reproductive rights.

The trend reflects a broader ideological divide between young men and women in the U.S., where women under 30 are significantly more liberal than men.

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    “Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion,” Thomas told The Post. “They can’t have both. Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.”

    Sounds reasonable and fair to me.

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      In over 50% of America’s land area Rapists get to pick the mother of their child.

      Flee red states.

      The only why they’ll learn is if the rational people leave. The whole fill strategy will never work because red states need you more than you need them.

      Flee red states!

      Project 2025 advocates for tracking of child barring age women and girls. They will turn you into brood sows the moment they get a chance and justify it as the moral good.

      Flee red states!

      Blue states aren’t perfect but we at least know what freedom is and don’t need a 2000 yeast old book to decide what we should do next.

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        Fleeing my state isn’t an option. Besides, my state didn’t used to be red. A lot of states flipped or at least went from purple to red. So it’s not even a guarantee if you uproot your entire family and life that you get to stay blue.

        I feel so demoralized when this comes up, as if it’s my own fault I’m living somewhere with terrible laws. I voted. I got other people to vote. I changed a few minds on abortion (not easy to do!). I don’t have the money or resources to start somewhere else, and we’re all about to have less money.

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          Are you willing to risk your mother’s, sisters, and daughters bodily autonomy on a under performing political party?

          I’m not saying leaving will be easy. And I’m not saying it paradise and blue States. But I am saying red states don’t deserve you. Start making a plan at least because they won’t stop.

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            It’s my bodily autonomy. I’m a woman of child-bearing age. I even want to make a child sometime in the next four years. I’m risking my health. I can’t move. I will end up broke with zero resources in another state, with no job, and my husband will need to start his career from scratch if we move. We just can’t afford it. Plus wherever we move, we’ll be separated from both our families who are local here. And again, even if we move, wherever we start over could just be red in two election cycles anyway. Moving isn’t the answer.

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              One in five women in the United States experienced completed or attempted rape during their lifetime.

              The chances of having a miscarriage is 1 in 4 pregnancies.

              Multiply those statistics for every girl and women in your family.

              Add in the fact that red states have disproportionately more sexual violence than blue states.

              Are those odds you are willing to take?

              No one is say moving well be easy. But you can start saving, planning, and applying for positions in safer areas. (politically, economically, and socially.) You don’t have to just move your core family. Everyone that cares about women’s rights can move too. If migrant women with no job, no prospects, no money, and no path to citizenship to receive services can do it, so can you.

              Red states don’t deserve you. Every day you play the odds

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        I don’t think anyone involved thinks she’s talking about every single young man. Well, except you, of course

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          Now he’s just worried that they’re talking about him. Which they probably are considering his immediate defensive reaction.

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            Jesus Fucking Christ, do we literally have to have women say things like:

            “Young men – not all, just some, well in some areas most, but a lot of young men – expect…”

            This tiptoeing bullshit to not anger some fragile men is insane. I lived as a straight man for over 40 years and this new idea that men are somehow put upon whenever a woman brings up being objectified, or has an issues with interactions with /takes a breath some, but not all, just a large amount, enough to be traumatizing, particularly as it’s systemic to the patriarchy, men.

            This is ridiculous semantic bullshit in response to women feeling like objects and pushing back.

            We’re better than this, and I’m tired of watching us act absolutely horrible whenever women point out systemic, extremely frequent issues they have with men, and have to inch around it so as to not break our fragile egos.

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              I agree. It’s like the whole “Not all men” deal: nitpicking the details of the phrasing instead of tackling the root issue. You’re only fighting those symptoms that affect you directly, not the root cause.

              The day I have someone yelling in my face that I’m to blame for some other man’s rape is the day I’ll argue about that issue. Until then, let’s focus on the actual problem: In this case (some) young men being pieces of garbage.

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              Women need to say, “Well, not every man is a rapist, but every person who raped me was a man, amd when I tried to speak up, almost every man told me he needed more evidence, that was an extreme claim that could ruin that man’s life, and when I tried to call police, they were made also of men who also rape and commit domestic violence at high rates, and when I went to court the judge was a Trump appointeee… So I guess really no men are rapists because the system doesn’t allow us to label them. Or maybe that makes all of you dangerous.”

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                I teared up a bit reading your comment, I’m so sorry you all go through this, and continue to go through this.

                The worst part is a lot of the men saying this shit, even here in this thread, consider themselves ‘Leftist’. They know it’s the wealthy causing fighting amongst the poors to distract, and yet still these men fall for it. They think there’s some ‘women’s agenda’ coming for them and never once look back and think to themselves ‘wow, thank god they want equality and not revenge.’

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              Just the word “most” or “some” would avoid this whole conversation. Why does it have to come to this every time?

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                Why does it have to come to this every time?

                I don’t know, why do men require people to use extra words not to hurt their feelings?

                “Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion,” Thomas told The Post. “They can’t have both. Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.”

                See, they even included parts like that, and still people are here whining about it.

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                  My feelings aren’t hurt by the presence of people who hate me.

                  But I will call a spade a spade. A person too lazy to add the word “some” to their statement does hate all men. Can’t be bothered with a syllable to honor them, and that’s hate.

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                Just the ones who conform to my incredibly contemptuous description of them (a majority of white women apparently).

                Going to need an attribution there, champ.

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                  What kind of attribution do I need? I’m only talking about the ones who fit the description. Seems to me like trump voters fit that description but hey, if I’m wrong no biggy. After all I am only talking about the ones that do. Can’t you just infer that?

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                    What kind of attribution do I need?

                    Just the ones who conform to my incredibly contemptuous description of them (a majority of white women apparently).

                    That one, what the fuck?

                    Can’t you just infer that?

                    NO. No we can’t just ‘infer’ this.

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        It’s talking about people who support trump. But you can’t only target them as people will just hide their political views to get laid.