Right, that includes Trump. Its been a democrat funding and supporting this genocide the entire time. You hypocrites cant use these deaths to fuckin support democrats.
I agree that Donald Trump is much worse for the situation in Palestine and that it was a mistake for anybody to sit out because of what’s happening. But I think it also needs to be said that the Democrats didn’t really offer any alternative besides plausible deniability, and so it seems strange to me to pin the responsibility on the disengaged
He’s been finishing the job just fine under Biden. I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t honestly see what the difference is(in this particular issue). There was a time where wholesale annihilation and annexation was unacceptable but since that’s cool can you point me to where exactly you think the Dems red line exists? Because it certainly seems to be beyond the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
The difference is that Biden has not once come out to say “i will help neyyanahu flatten Gaza” and from what I’ve read has been criticising him (to the best of his old man abilities).
It sucks that U.S. kept sending weapons to Israel for one reason or another, but the key difference here is that with a democratic president you had a higher chance of getting thru.
Good luck getting Trump to listen to anything at all. And I guess good job for letting Trump take the president seat, not only will he help flatten Gaza (which Biden seemingly was doing anyway), but will also flatten women’s rights in the U.S., will flatten healthcare and education, will flatten any climate change progress, and will let Russia flatten Ukraine.
An astounding failure for the entire world, just because your only issue was “b-but think of Gaza!”
I hope you’re happy with your moral high ground because you decided to not vote for Genocide Kamala and instead let Destroy Everyone Trump win.
To the best of his abilities my ass. Reflexively excusing his continued total support for Israel even after the election is delusional. It’s pretty obvious that you had no chance of getting any different result from a Democrat on this issue than a Republican.
And getting mad at me about it is kind of pointless, as I live in Maryland’s sixth and my vote for a Democrat house member is the only national vote that mattered (and in this case it really did matter). Despite that I did end up voting for Harris. Maybe you should get mad at the Dems morally bankrupt leadership instead of me.
I will get mad at the 15 million stay-at-home non-voters due to a single-issue before i consider getting mad at the Dems for not caressing these people on their single-issue.
I will get mad at the 15 million who never learned of the phrase “Lesser of two evils”, who thought that by not voting they are making some sort of brave statement on morals.
Suck it up, there were 2 choices:
Genocide, with high chance of progress away from Genocide
Genocide with bonus destruction, and no chance of steering away from any of it
It’s literally the trolley problem, and people that didn’t vote just didn’t pull the lever and have let mass destruction happen.
Read the fucking room and realise the safety of more people is at risk now, not just Gaza.
Trust me if I was American I would have voted Harris, but fate made it so I am not.
Don’t yell at me for yelling at the same dipshits that didn’t vote Harris, and don’t criticise me for bringing up other issues when it’s relevant to make it clear one choice is worse than the other.
Take a minute to read that headline again. You got Trump for this now, because you insisted to everyone to accept that headline, those deaths, that ‘better than this’ just isnt an option. You wouldnt permit people that care about life, that oppose genocide somewhere else to go. So they went nowhere, because genocide is not an option.
And yet accelerated genocide is the option that was chosen.
Look, I get the argument you’re making. The problem is that it hinges entirely on accepting a premise that isn’t based in reality. Progress, specifically as it relates to harm reduction, doesn’t happen instantaneously. It never has. You take the wins you can get and then push for the next step. You can be mad about that, and I would argue that we all should be, but it’s not going to change the way things work. In this case you’ve let idealism get in the way of actual tangible improvement. Even if you disagree with that characterization you can’t dispute the fact that you’ve at least helped shut the door on the potential for improvement. If you can find a way to rationalize that in your head to make you feel like the good guy then I understand why you would want to take that path, but do you honestly believe the people of Gaza take solace in the fact that you had good intentions? I’d wager they don’t give a shit how you frame this in your mind. They’re just thinking about what a Trump presidency means for the future of this conflict and that isn’t good by any stretch of the imagination.
This is deranged. Progress? Improvement? What did Kamala say she would do differently? Did she say she’d stop sending weapons and financial assistance?
Netanyahu was filibustering the peace process hoping for Trump to win while he ran out the clock. If he, like Putin, were forced to deal with Harris instead of Trump over the next four years his attitude would’ve changed after the results were announced.
Your bloody avoidance for voting anyone has led not only to Gaza getting flattened, but also women’s rights, lgbt rights, any form of medical care, Ukraine, and the climate.
The blood is on your fucking hands now. At least Kamala would have seen reason and you could probably have talked to her/her party about Israel.
Good luck with fucking ignorant Trump, who won’t even listen when a woman says no to him.
But thank God you didn’t vote for anyone doing genocide! I will feel so relieved you did that when Russia has a border with my fucking country
Since when are democrats the ones pushing abortion bans? Since when are they the ones wanting to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord? Since when are blue states the ones banning books that contain any mention of queer people?
From my knowledge blue states have been doing anything but those things. It’s red states that are doing all sorts of shady shit, and it’s Trump literally saying he will:
-Withdraw the U.S. from the Climate Accord
-Appoint RFK as head of medicine
-Get rid of education department
-Withdraw spending in Ukraine and talk to his lover Putin
-Increase tariffs on EU which in turn will just hurt U.S. economy
you can blabber all day about how democrats are doing X Y Z wrong, but Trump is doing all of that PLUS more and way worse. No one likes this man, not even his own party members.
But I guess the best way to deal with a truck about to hit you is to close your eyes and hope for the best
as a techie i can confirm a lot of liberals are also bigots who look down on anyone not having fancy college degrees and live in rural areas. for them gaza is an irritation which costed their favourite team the nba finals.
I put it this way, Trump comes in and wipes Gaza off the map. Hes only responsible for a fraction of the destruction because the vast majority of Gaza is already gone.
Yeah, we need to do better than republican and democrat zionist presidents. Though, in recent years it was isolated to a humanitarian crisis, Israel wasnt invading, they just had a stranglehold of Gazas borders. Entirely under Biden though Israel has completely invaded and bombed the whole of the country from northern to southern border.
Are you talking about buildings or people? Because the death toll in Gaza is estimated to be ~40,000 while the population is ~3,000,000. That’s 1.3% for those playing along at home.
Which, if you’re a bit slow on the uptake, means get ready for Trump and Netanyahu to have their way with the remaining 98.7% of Gaza.
But hey, that’s democracy I guess. Personally I enthusiastically voted for Harris, but the people of the US and Israel have spoken and so now we let the chips fall where they may.
Territory mostly. They started from the top and moved down, displacing a majority of the people there. Gaza practically no longer exists, and the Palestinians have become…hang on theres a word for this, a diaspora.
The official death toll is around 43k but estimates range much higher, likely over 100,000. The entire healthcare system in Gaza has collapsed so they cannot identify and put an official tally on many of those killed.
In the US those who abstained from voting or voted third party have sealed Gaza’s fate.
Who the hell do you think has been president for the entirety of this slaughter?
Neither of the candidates for election.
Right, that includes Trump. Its been a democrat funding and supporting this genocide the entire time. You hypocrites cant use these deaths to fuckin support democrats.
because Donald “I will let Netyanahu finish the job” Trump is somehow better for this. Get your head out of your ass lol
I agree that Donald Trump is much worse for the situation in Palestine and that it was a mistake for anybody to sit out because of what’s happening. But I think it also needs to be said that the Democrats didn’t really offer any alternative besides plausible deniability, and so it seems strange to me to pin the responsibility on the disengaged
He’s been finishing the job just fine under Biden. I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t honestly see what the difference is(in this particular issue). There was a time where wholesale annihilation and annexation was unacceptable but since that’s cool can you point me to where exactly you think the Dems red line exists? Because it certainly seems to be beyond the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
The difference is that Biden has not once come out to say “i will help neyyanahu flatten Gaza” and from what I’ve read has been criticising him (to the best of his old man abilities).
It sucks that U.S. kept sending weapons to Israel for one reason or another, but the key difference here is that with a democratic president you had a higher chance of getting thru.
Good luck getting Trump to listen to anything at all. And I guess good job for letting Trump take the president seat, not only will he help flatten Gaza (which Biden seemingly was doing anyway), but will also flatten women’s rights in the U.S., will flatten healthcare and education, will flatten any climate change progress, and will let Russia flatten Ukraine. An astounding failure for the entire world, just because your only issue was “b-but think of Gaza!”
I hope you’re happy with your moral high ground because you decided to not vote for Genocide Kamala and instead let Destroy Everyone Trump win.
There have been such astounding things said with a straight face this year.
Oh wow, you literally picked and chose.
To the best of his abilities my ass. Reflexively excusing his continued total support for Israel even after the election is delusional. It’s pretty obvious that you had no chance of getting any different result from a Democrat on this issue than a Republican.
And getting mad at me about it is kind of pointless, as I live in Maryland’s sixth and my vote for a Democrat house member is the only national vote that mattered (and in this case it really did matter). Despite that I did end up voting for Harris. Maybe you should get mad at the Dems morally bankrupt leadership instead of me.
I will get mad at the 15 million stay-at-home non-voters due to a single-issue before i consider getting mad at the Dems for not caressing these people on their single-issue.
I will get mad at the 15 million who never learned of the phrase “Lesser of two evils”, who thought that by not voting they are making some sort of brave statement on morals.
Suck it up, there were 2 choices: Genocide, with high chance of progress away from Genocide Genocide with bonus destruction, and no chance of steering away from any of it
It’s literally the trolley problem, and people that didn’t vote just didn’t pull the lever and have let mass destruction happen.
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Read the fucking room and realise the safety of more people is at risk now, not just Gaza.
Trust me if I was American I would have voted Harris, but fate made it so I am not.
Don’t yell at me for yelling at the same dipshits that didn’t vote Harris, and don’t criticise me for bringing up other issues when it’s relevant to make it clear one choice is worse than the other.
You are a fucking moron if you think for one second I am american.
I am from Europe. I made it very clear when I said in one of my comments I am excited for russia to border me. I didn’t do shit
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Take a minute to read that headline again. You got Trump for this now, because you insisted to everyone to accept that headline, those deaths, that ‘better than this’ just isnt an option. You wouldnt permit people that care about life, that oppose genocide somewhere else to go. So they went nowhere, because genocide is not an option.
And yet accelerated genocide is the option that was chosen.
Look, I get the argument you’re making. The problem is that it hinges entirely on accepting a premise that isn’t based in reality. Progress, specifically as it relates to harm reduction, doesn’t happen instantaneously. It never has. You take the wins you can get and then push for the next step. You can be mad about that, and I would argue that we all should be, but it’s not going to change the way things work. In this case you’ve let idealism get in the way of actual tangible improvement. Even if you disagree with that characterization you can’t dispute the fact that you’ve at least helped shut the door on the potential for improvement. If you can find a way to rationalize that in your head to make you feel like the good guy then I understand why you would want to take that path, but do you honestly believe the people of Gaza take solace in the fact that you had good intentions? I’d wager they don’t give a shit how you frame this in your mind. They’re just thinking about what a Trump presidency means for the future of this conflict and that isn’t good by any stretch of the imagination.
This is deranged. Progress? Improvement? What did Kamala say she would do differently? Did she say she’d stop sending weapons and financial assistance?
Netanyahu was filibustering the peace process hoping for Trump to win while he ran out the clock. If he, like Putin, were forced to deal with Harris instead of Trump over the next four years his attitude would’ve changed after the results were announced.
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Your bloody avoidance for voting anyone has led not only to Gaza getting flattened, but also women’s rights, lgbt rights, any form of medical care, Ukraine, and the climate.
The blood is on your fucking hands now. At least Kamala would have seen reason and you could probably have talked to her/her party about Israel.
Good luck with fucking ignorant Trump, who won’t even listen when a woman says no to him.
But thank God you didn’t vote for anyone doing genocide! I will feel so relieved you did that when Russia has a border with my fucking country
You are describing things that have already happened, are current events, all under democrats, and them promising more of the same.
I did vote, for the candidate that opposes the genocide.
Since when are democrats the ones pushing abortion bans? Since when are they the ones wanting to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord? Since when are blue states the ones banning books that contain any mention of queer people?
From my knowledge blue states have been doing anything but those things. It’s red states that are doing all sorts of shady shit, and it’s Trump literally saying he will: -Withdraw the U.S. from the Climate Accord -Appoint RFK as head of medicine -Get rid of education department -Withdraw spending in Ukraine and talk to his lover Putin -Increase tariffs on EU which in turn will just hurt U.S. economy
you can blabber all day about how democrats are doing X Y Z wrong, but Trump is doing all of that PLUS more and way worse. No one likes this man, not even his own party members.
But I guess the best way to deal with a truck about to hit you is to close your eyes and hope for the best
Yes it is. It’s the one you got. Congrats on maintaining your ideological purity. It’s going to be quite a show.
The ideological purity of
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Thanks we will take it.
I dont know what ‘yes it is’ is in response to.
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Liberals can’t accept they endorse this genocide.
Liberals see themselves as “somewhat left wing” but they’re centre right at best. When met with the slightest turmoil they just turn into fascists.
as a techie i can confirm a lot of liberals are also bigots who look down on anyone not having fancy college degrees and live in rural areas. for them gaza is an irritation which costed their favourite team the nba finals.
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This slaughter so far
I put it this way, Trump comes in and wipes Gaza off the map. Hes only responsible for a fraction of the destruction because the vast majority of Gaza is already gone.
So how far do we go back then? Because Israel has been causing destruction in Gaza for probably a dozen presidents
Yeah, we need to do better than republican and democrat zionist presidents. Though, in recent years it was isolated to a humanitarian crisis, Israel wasnt invading, they just had a stranglehold of Gazas borders. Entirely under Biden though Israel has completely invaded and bombed the whole of the country from northern to southern border.
Rainbows and unicorns for everyone.
Your bar is disgustingly low if opposing genocide is asking too much
Are you talking about buildings or people? Because the death toll in Gaza is estimated to be ~40,000 while the population is ~3,000,000. That’s 1.3% for those playing along at home.
Which, if you’re a bit slow on the uptake, means get ready for Trump and Netanyahu to have their way with the remaining 98.7% of Gaza.
But hey, that’s democracy I guess. Personally I enthusiastically voted for Harris, but the people of the US and Israel have spoken and so now we let the chips fall where they may.
Territory mostly. They started from the top and moved down, displacing a majority of the people there. Gaza practically no longer exists, and the Palestinians have become…hang on theres a word for this, a diaspora.
The official death toll is around 43k but estimates range much higher, likely over 100,000. The entire healthcare system in Gaza has collapsed so they cannot identify and put an official tally on many of those killed.
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