• CasualPenguin@reddthat.com
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    6 days ago

    What should they really learn? I’m sick of the blame being placed on decent people not doing enough.

    How about we blame the pieces of crap that support Trump who has too many disgusting qualities to list.

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      6 days ago

      The blame still stops at the leading Democrats.

      Consider this. How could so many people vote for someone who is such a clear threat to democracy?

      Simple. Because despite everything they said, his opponents never actually treated him as a threat to democracy.

      Biden appointed a Republican to run the Department of Justice, and that Republican sat on his hands, refusing to do any investigation of Trump until he was forced to do so by House investigative committees. It took TWO YEARS before an investigation even began. This delay allowed Trump to eventually run out the clock.

      Trump should have been in chains on the day Biden took office. He should have faced trial in a military tribunal. Any attempt by SCOTUS to protect him should have been declared “a coup from the bench” and seen those justices charged as accomplices after the fact.

      THAT is how you need to handle an actual threat to democracy. Trump should have been put on trial, through whatever means necessary. Hell, ideally he should have received a capital sentence for his crimes against the republic. He betrayed his country. He is guilty of treason. The man should have hanged for his crimes.

      But that wasn’t how Biden treated it. Trump was an EPOCHAL THREAT TO DEMOCRACY, but not enough to risk angering conservative white voters in suburban Philadelphia. He was THE NEXT INCARNATION OF HITLER, but not so Hitlerian as to justify any kind of dubious legal maneuvers that a fascist like Trump would have no problem pulling off.

      Biden and co have been shouting that Trump is a threat do democracy for the better part of a decade at this point. But they never actually treated him like one. Actions speak louder than words. Democrats said Trump was a threat to democracy, but they never actually treated him like one. The Democrats, through their actions, made it clear that they didn’t think Trump was a real threat to democracy, so the voters acted accordingly.

      If Democrats were actually serious about the threat, Trump would have been tried by military tribunal, sentenced, and been locked away or put in the ground two years ago.

    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      6 days ago

      They should learn how to win, for one.

      You know what they need more of? Bernie’s populist rhetoric. A promise that something will actually be different. Obama won on that promise, and then did nothing with it.

      15 million people don’t go missing unless your party is dead.

      And bare in mind, I’m not saying anyone should have voted 3rd party; we can’t do that without at least RCV. But something needs to reanimate the Democrats’ corpse or we will all die at the hands of the next Mussolini.

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      6 days ago

      Or maybe you could sit down with them and have a genuine conversation as to why they voted trump.

      It’s mostly economic

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        5 days ago

        I have.

        They don’t care that it is pretty universally agreed and demonstrated by people who know the economy well that the US economy will be significantly weaker under Trump.

        They don’t care about that because they never cared about “the economy”. Maybe they care about a monetary inconvenience or issue from their personal life which they are blaming on the economy, but usually it’s because of religion and misogyny, i.e. pieces of crap

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          4 days ago

          I think you sat down with an idea of who they were in mind (stupid) and when you didn’t hear what you liked you doubled down on how stupid they are.

          So, no, you haven’t.

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      6 days ago

      I mean, we can blame the DNC some. But we should definitely be blaming Trump voters and non-voters.

      The reverse side of this (that the Onion should do next) is:

      “Oh yeah. I didn’t go out and vote. Surely the 30th time in a row means the DNC will learn their lesson and then promote leftist policy like I want!”

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        6 days ago

        OK, let’s blame Trump voters. Sounds good. Now what? Replace the voters?

        Trump voters are a symptom of a cultural and economic situation created entirely by neoliberals. Blame the voters all you want, but I don’t see how that’s supposed to get us anywhere.