war thing everyone gets so invested in yet no one does anything about beyond participating in thinly veiled socialization rituals and including symbols of support into their wardrobes and memes.
Who cares about genocide and actual demonization of immigrants.
The real issue is that white men weren’t the absolute center of attention for 5 minutes. Ignore the fact that she was replacing a white man, running against a white man, and her VP was a white man…white men are obviously the real victims here! /s
What you call “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears of white males” is a standard experience of every single other group of people (you’re literally doing it to them in the comment I’m replying ) and it stems from capitalist alienation, not “wokeness” or whatever.
I mean… Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?
Yes. The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.
Also, did you assume I’m a white male? I’m not.
Did I? You pushed the white male victimhood narrative and I expressed why thats wrong, that doesn’t change based on your race/sex.
The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.
How’s that been working for you?
Did I?
I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.
You pushed the white male victimhood narrative
Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications of the dehumanization of white men (even the poor ones). I didn’t imply it was right or wrong. I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.
You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though. Do you think this mindset helps the problems that our societies and democracies are currently facing?
Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?
The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.
I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.
Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?..going so far as to remove context to try and make specific phrasing seem pointed?
What you call “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears of white males” is a standard experience of every single other group of people (you’re literally doing it to them in the comment I’m replying )
You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.
I stated that white males are not seperate from other groupings of people and by separating them into their own group and dismissing the struggles of other groups you are “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears” of all those other groups.
You don’t have to be a white male to do this… obviously…
Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications…
Oh, you just are a debate bro…hhhfff
I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications
You don’t need to.
I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.
So this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.
You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though.
What? So you don’t believe in the white male victimhood narrative and weren’t pushing it…but my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims…this doesn’t make any logical sense.
Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?
No. Hence why I opposed your attempt to “sarcastically” rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.
The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.
Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you’ve done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?
Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?
Yes, this is definitely what I want to do with my afternoon (this is actually not sarcastic). Did I remove any relevant context? Please elaborate if you care to continue this surreal tangent.
You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.
I did.
white males are not seperate from other groupings of people
dismissing the struggles of other groups
Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you’ll find something interesting.
Oh, you just are a debate bro
I’m unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.
this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.
Erm… So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims? I’m sorry but I disagree.
my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims
No. I think you may have a fixation with victimhood and its implications on the value and humanity of people, and I think you’ve pushed this fixation in every point during this exchange, projecting it into my arguments.
rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.
This is another example of the former. You seem to be under the impression that victimization is a ranking system.
Maybe I should clarify. Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.
The reason behind this is that without that basic extension of empathy, all possibilities of consensus are lost before a conversation even begins. Do I always extend these basic forms of empathy to everyone? No, sometimes I’m a dick, but I do try.
My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn’t imply i consider them victims. I don’t.)
What I’m currently trying to convey now is that victimization is not a ranking system, friend. And voting or not voting for someone is not an effective course of action to solve anything you truly care about.
I’m sorry people you care about are suffering. <3
Edit: I don’t think I did, and I honestly have no use for information regarding your sex, gender or ethnicity.
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Maybe, but I don’t feel particularly invested in any war thing.
Polarization does get to me sometimes, but I feel like my contributions regarding that issue constitute legitimate efforts.
Who cares about genocide and actual demonization of immigrants.
The real issue is that white men weren’t the absolute center of attention for 5 minutes. Ignore the fact that she was replacing a white man, running against a white man, and her VP was a white man…white men are obviously the real victims here! /s
What you call “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears of white males” is a standard experience of every single other group of people (you’re literally doing it to them in the comment I’m replying ) and it stems from capitalist alienation, not “wokeness” or whatever.
I mean… Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?
Edit: Also, did you assume I’m a white male? I’m not.
Yes. The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.
Did I? You pushed the white male victimhood narrative and I expressed why thats wrong, that doesn’t change based on your race/sex.
How’s that been working for you?
I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.
Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications of the dehumanization of white men (even the poor ones). I didn’t imply it was right or wrong. I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.
You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though. Do you think this mindset helps the problems that our societies and democracies are currently facing?
Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?
Food for thought, my friend.
The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.
Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?..going so far as to remove context to try and make specific phrasing seem pointed?
You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.
I stated that white males are not seperate from other groupings of people and by separating them into their own group and dismissing the struggles of other groups you are “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears” of all those other groups.
You don’t have to be a white male to do this… obviously…
Oh, you just are a debate bro…hhhfff
You don’t need to.
So this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.
What? So you don’t believe in the white male victimhood narrative and weren’t pushing it…but my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims…this doesn’t make any logical sense.
No. Hence why I opposed your attempt to “sarcastically” rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.
Edit: BTW…did you assume I’m not a white male?..
Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you’ve done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?
Yes, this is definitely what I want to do with my afternoon (this is actually not sarcastic). Did I remove any relevant context? Please elaborate if you care to continue this surreal tangent.
I did.
Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you’ll find something interesting.
I’m unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.
Erm… So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims? I’m sorry but I disagree.
No. I think you may have a fixation with victimhood and its implications on the value and humanity of people, and I think you’ve pushed this fixation in every point during this exchange, projecting it into my arguments.
This is another example of the former. You seem to be under the impression that victimization is a ranking system.
Maybe I should clarify. Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.
The reason behind this is that without that basic extension of empathy, all possibilities of consensus are lost before a conversation even begins. Do I always extend these basic forms of empathy to everyone? No, sometimes I’m a dick, but I do try.
My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn’t imply i consider them victims. I don’t.)
What I’m currently trying to convey now is that victimization is not a ranking system, friend. And voting or not voting for someone is not an effective course of action to solve anything you truly care about.
I’m sorry people you care about are suffering. <3
Edit: I don’t think I did, and I honestly have no use for information regarding your sex, gender or ethnicity.