(Image from the 1977 504 sit-in.)

Welcome to the first weekly disabled community discussion thread for the week of 10/28/2024 — 11/3/2024.

This community is brand new! Everyone is welcome to post new topics and comments. However, we ask that in order to participate in the weekly megathread, one self-identifies as some form of disabled, which is broadly defined in the community sidebar:

“Disability” is an umbrella term which encompasses physical disabilities, emotional/psychiatric disabilities, neurodivergence, intellectual/developmental disabilities, sensory disabilities, invisible disabilities, and more. You do not have to have an official diagnosis to consider yourself disabled.


Disabled people in the U.S. today experience a poverty rate of approximately 30 percent; comprise 40 percent of the total homeless population; have an active labor market participation rate of less than 20 percent, despite self-reporting a preference to do so at a rate well over 60 percent. Hundreds of thousands of disabled people remain today living in institutional or carceral environments, such as nursing homes or prisons, where conditions tend towards the cruel or barbaric.

Thus, when we ask the question, what is disability, we are not really providing a full answer if we only talk about physiology, biology, or even identity reduced to a cataloging of manifest limitations or functional deficits. In fact, disability – or, to put it perhaps more accurately, disablement – is a dialectical phenomenon arising from existing political, economic, and social relations in society.

While variations in human bodies, minds, and behaviors – up to and including those traits which might be termed ‘impairments’ – have always been an indelible and essential aspect of the human species, disability as we have come to understand it in the modern era is neither eternal nor transhistorical.

The notion that a group of people – with a vast array of completely different traits, capacities, morphologies, and phenotypes – could be lumped together and labeled according to their relative lack of generalized “ability,” in the abstract, is in fact endemic to the particular period of more recent human history signaled by the emergence and dominance of the capitalist mode.

Specifically, what is the relationship between disabled people and the working class, as such?

… we should hold an expansive conception of disability, which understands it both in terms of class location, but also more generally as a phenomenon less immediately relevant to the positions of the classes than to the processes intrinsic to the relations of the classes. In other words, centering the analysis of disability on the processes of labor commodification, exploitation of labor, market competition, and class division.

Put differently, the conditions that reproduce the division of society into separate classes, and in particular, reproduce that class of people whose lives are wholly determined by the commodified value that their labor power can purchase on the capitalist market, are the same conditions that reproduce a subclass of people whose very existence is diminished and devalued according to the relatively diminished and devalued worth of their labor power as measured by the logic of commodified market competition.

Insofar as the value of commodity labor power under capitalism is both a creation and a measure of the rate of exploitation obtaining in the market – that is, the rate at which capitalists can competitively extract surplus value from the productive labors of the working class – then the simple realities of human physiology, let alone the complex realities of biopolitics, mean that there will always be and must necessarily be a constant proportion of the working class whose commodified labor power manifests as a “disability,” with the attendant forms of oppression concomitant thereto.

The struggle against disability oppression should be seen as innately allied with all other struggles born of – and against – capitalist oppression. Specifically, disablement is a form of oppression arising from the system of exploitation of labor, and therefore the historical struggle of the working class against exploitation.

from Keith Rosenthal of Tempest Collective


Mask up, love one another, and stay alive for one more week.

  • theother2020 [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    17 days ago

    I’m so glad this exists! I’m not ready to effort post about this yet but some of the less visible disabilities - and more specifically disputed illnesses - think CFS/ME and chronic lyme and but there are many others - I feel like the materialist framework of the left will be a barrier and I have been hesitant to discuss certain conditions feeling they will be mocked. Although the one time I think it was ME came up on Hexbear that I recall, people were good about it.

    And now (sadly) long Covid is lending credibility to CFS/ME. So maybe you are with me because mainstream medicine is catching up to Chronic lyme and ME and long covid right? But what about “adrenal fatigue”? I can hear the sound of leftist derision because it’s not real, right? Or what about electrical sensitivity? (an RFKJ level silliness) Or chronic mold injury. The thing is when you have one of these disputed illnesses - and are not believed by the establishment, and often your own family and friends etc - it makes you more sympathetic to sufferers of the other disputed conditions. Solidarity.

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      I do not have an official diagnosis (yet), but I am almost entirely sure that I have ME/CFS, possibly from getting COVID although I’m not quite sure if it was that or something else. And I relate a lot to what you said about the failures of left frameworks when it comes to chronic illness. No party that I know of requires masking, which presents an inherent barrier to many disabled people trying to join them. If you ever make the effort post, I would love to read it. Solidarity.

    • ihaveibs [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Yeah Lyme fucked me up and my doctor kind of handwaved away my concerns. This was a while ago so I think people were just starting to talk about chronic Lyme. But yeah, wish somebody took it more seriously that I started suffering from heat exhaustion super easily right after getting Lyme and excessively sweating. It’s been over a decade and it’s still going on.

    • DisabledAceSocialist [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Sometimes you even have an “acceptable/seen as real” underlying condition that hasn’t been diagnosed yet. For three years doctors diagnosed me with things like depression and ME, but in the end it turned out I actually had thyroid cancer, that’s what was causing all my symptoms. They simply hadn’t bothered to do any tests.

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        Thyroids are sketchy as hell. idk why thyroid testing isn’t the first thing they do every time. Like if you walk in holding your own severed arm and are like “Yo I had a baking accident can you put this back on?” they should be like “Okay one second, hold up, we need to make sure your thyroid didn’t do this” and do some bloodwork.

      • theother2020 [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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        15 days ago

        I can relate. You’re absolutely right. I hope you are getting treatment and care.

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        The only time as an adult that I’ve been treated well with compassion and respect was when I was actively undergoing cancer diagnosis in a hospital, and even then not everyone is so fortunate. I have been extremely mistreated and gaslighted by the medical system and have countless stories of the abuse and negligence … the cancer care I have experienced has been markedly different. By no means perfect but respectful.

      • dustbunnies [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        For three years doctors diagnosed me with things like depression and ME, but in the end it turned out I actually had thyroid cancer

        fucking terrifying – this is the stuff horror stories are made of agony-deep

        so sorry that happened to you.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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      I’ve known people with CFS. The medical profession is this bizarre contradiction because it is perceived to be super duper scientific, but if you actually drill down to it’s cultural norms and the beliefs of doctors many of htem are straight up “There are ghosts in your blood. Lose weight” and think that’s doing medicine.

      And then people will be like “Something is fucking wrong” and their Dr. will tell them “You have wandering uterus, lose weight” and they’re like “Hmm this fucker literally does not care if I live or die” and then you go try to find explanations for what’s wrong and, like, most people are not equipped to differentiate between woo woo flim flam and plausible stuff. Like medical science should be rigorously investigating weird hard to pin down diseases and symptoms but they don’t, leaving unqualified lay people to try to figure things out as best they can because their pain and suffering is real no matter what actual factors are causing it.

      It’s totally fucked.