• TriflingToad@lemmy.world
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    25 days ago

    I see a lot of people in this thread justifying murder when that’s REALLY not what’s needed. That will just lead to the only people willing to be cops is maniacs with a gun (who are NOT in short supply) when we really need cops who can take a moment and think.

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      25 days ago

      when we really need cops who can take a moment and think.

      Those people are actively filtered out by police.

      • HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.sdf.org
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        23 days ago

        It’s not hard to make it through the application process as a compassionate, clever person.

        It’s just hard to stay employed while butting heads with supervisors that aren’t, and the public sends you thoughts and prayers from the sidelines. Sure, they’ll riot when evil cops are caught doing evil stuff, but they do absolutely nothing to notice or stop good cops from getting forced out.

        Source: My time in law enforcement and my interactions with the public on Reddit where I told my story.

    • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
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      24 days ago

      We need to murder the concept of cops as we know them today. That’s the only murder we need. No individual’s death will fix a fucked up system, gotta kill the system itself.

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          23 days ago

          Well, I’d realistically suggest a slow strangle while we build up the alternative in tandem, maybe not “murder”, but I opted to use the wording of the poster I replied to.

          • HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.sdf.org
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            23 days ago

            What would the alternative be? I have never heard of a realistic solution that will be anywhere near the Overton Window and also backed up by data. Again, the last time Americans went without cops (CHAZ), it was a total disaster that “replaced” cops with people who did a far worse job when tasked with the same responsibilities.

            I’m not criticizing your use of the word “murder.”

            • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
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              Re: murder, it was more a personal clarification hahah, murder implies a swift execution, versus a slow change.

              I do not claim to have the solution. That’s outside of my area of expertise. What I can say is that the implementation of policing we have now is failing, and I’d rather move towards something new than spin my wheels now.

              I can also say that, with how everything else in our society is organized, our current system of policing is probably the most practical. Any kind of change to it will likely be predicated on many other facets of society changing first or in tandem. I have no illusions that it’ll be an easy change.

    • Mango@lemmy.world
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      24 days ago

      That sounds like my kind of accelerationism. Eventually cops will have to be dramatically changed.

    • 31337@sh.itjust.works
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      Yeah… the fed-posting isn’t good. However, the current system of policing, and the entire rotten criminal justice system, is a system of oppression, is responsible immense amounts of pain and suffering, and can’t be saved by just hiring better people. Cruelty (and upholding hierarchy) is the point.

      • HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.sdf.org
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        23 days ago

        I maintain that firing bad people and hiring good people is the only realistic way to increase the Good:Bad ratio high enough that many of these problems will evaporate.

  • qooqie@lemmy.world
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    25 days ago

    A bit brutal. I know it’s just a meme, but I don’t think them dying is the answer. We can be better, we can do better

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        25 days ago

        I don’t really mind if you disagree because sadly cops will always be a part of modern society. So making them better is important to future generations

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            Okay, what about calling it current society? I don’t see current society being able to change this for a long long time

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              The main function of cops is to protect the bourgeois, white-supremacist, patriarchal, colonialist state. I would like to get rid of the latter, so the former needs to go.

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                So if and when we make that happen, and we have a society free of that stuff, do we think everything will always be perfect and free of conflict and no one will break the (hopefully much improved) laws? That seems unlikely, so we’ll need some kind of way of keeping the order, right? Will it not be the responsibility of a specific job? Will there be people with that job but we won’t call them any of the names we currently have for that general job category?

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                  You won’t be able to recognise the so-called “justice system” or “order” in that hypothetical society, so no: that job won’t exist anymore.

                  Yes, harm can still be done and this future society should and will find ways to prevent and/or heal that harm. Neither of these things are the police’s job, so why should we call that hypothetical job like the old system of violence?

                  Even if you think that those things are done by the police: do you still call a shoe designer/manufacturer a cobbler?

        • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          One of my first memories is my father’s domestic violence against my mother. She called the police. They laughed at her.

          The one time they arrested him, no matter the physical evidence, no matter the testimony from any number of witnesses (e.g. neighbours), was when he kicked a police officer.

          Fuck the police.

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      25 days ago

      “Your truths make me uncomfortable, please stop”

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      25 days ago

      Cops don’t seem to understand much except when a thing is alive or dead. This is the only kind of message that will get through to all of them.

      • HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.sdf.org
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        23 days ago

        “I dislike cops because they shoot people to solve a crisis. Anyway, let’s shoot people about this crisis.” - a lot of people, apparently

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      24 days ago

      Thank you.

      Imagine being so diluted that you think all cops should die.