I see a lot of people in this thread justifying murder when that’s REALLY not what’s needed. That will just lead to the only people willing to be cops is maniacs with a gun (who are NOT in short supply) when we really need cops who can take a moment and think.
It’s not hard to make it through the application process as a compassionate, clever person.
It’s just hard to stay employed while butting heads with supervisors that aren’t, and the public sends you thoughts and prayers from the sidelines. Sure, they’ll riot when evil cops are caught doing evil stuff, but they do absolutely nothing to notice or stop good cops from getting forced out.
Source: My time in law enforcement and my interactions with the public on Reddit where I told my story.
We need to murder the concept of cops as we know them today. That’s the only murder we need. No individual’s death will fix a fucked up system, gotta kill the system itself.
Well, I’d realistically suggest a slow strangle while we build up the alternative in tandem, maybe not “murder”, but I opted to use the wording of the poster I replied to.
What would the alternative be? I have never heard of a realistic solution that will be anywhere near the Overton Window and also backed up by data. Again, the last time Americans went without cops (CHAZ), it was a total disaster that “replaced” cops with people who did a far worse job when tasked with the same responsibilities.
I’m not criticizing your use of the word “murder.”
Re: murder, it was more a personal clarification hahah, murder implies a swift execution, versus a slow change.
I do not claim to have the solution. That’s outside of my area of expertise. What I can say is that the implementation of policing we have now is failing, and I’d rather move towards something new than spin my wheels now.
I can also say that, with how everything else in our society is organized, our current system of policing is probably the most practical. Any kind of change to it will likely be predicated on many other facets of society changing first or in tandem. I have no illusions that it’ll be an easy change.
Yeah… the fed-posting isn’t good. However, the current system of policing, and the entire rotten criminal justice system, is a system of oppression, is responsible immense amounts of pain and suffering, and can’t be saved by just hiring better people. Cruelty (and upholding hierarchy) is the point.
I maintain that firing bad people and hiring good people is the only realistic way to increase the Good:Bad ratio high enough that many of these problems will evaporate.
I see a lot of people in this thread justifying murder when that’s REALLY not what’s needed. That will just lead to the only people willing to be cops is maniacs with a gun (who are NOT in short supply) when we really need cops who can take a moment and think.
Those people are actively filtered out by police.
It’s not hard to make it through the application process as a compassionate, clever person.
It’s just hard to stay employed while butting heads with supervisors that aren’t, and the public sends you thoughts and prayers from the sidelines. Sure, they’ll riot when evil cops are caught doing evil stuff, but they do absolutely nothing to notice or stop good cops from getting forced out.
Source: My time in law enforcement and my interactions with the public on Reddit where I told my story.
We need to murder the concept of cops as we know them today. That’s the only murder we need. No individual’s death will fix a fucked up system, gotta kill the system itself.
People will not have any interest in going without law enforcement for X days/weeks/months/years while you reboot everything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest
Well, I’d realistically suggest a slow strangle while we build up the alternative in tandem, maybe not “murder”, but I opted to use the wording of the poster I replied to.
What would the alternative be? I have never heard of a realistic solution that will be anywhere near the Overton Window and also backed up by data. Again, the last time Americans went without cops (CHAZ), it was a total disaster that “replaced” cops with people who did a far worse job when tasked with the same responsibilities.
I’m not criticizing your use of the word “murder.”
Re: murder, it was more a personal clarification hahah, murder implies a swift execution, versus a slow change.
I do not claim to have the solution. That’s outside of my area of expertise. What I can say is that the implementation of policing we have now is failing, and I’d rather move towards something new than spin my wheels now.
I can also say that, with how everything else in our society is organized, our current system of policing is probably the most practical. Any kind of change to it will likely be predicated on many other facets of society changing first or in tandem. I have no illusions that it’ll be an easy change.
That sounds like my kind of accelerationism. Eventually cops will have to be dramatically changed.
Is this a quote from 1894 or 2024?
Did I actually incidentally quote something again?
Yeah… the fed-posting isn’t good. However, the current system of policing, and the entire rotten criminal justice system, is a system of oppression, is responsible immense amounts of pain and suffering, and can’t be saved by just hiring better people. Cruelty (and upholding hierarchy) is the point.
I maintain that firing bad people and hiring good people is the only realistic way to increase the Good:Bad ratio high enough that many of these problems will evaporate.