• OsrsNeedsF2P
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    3 hours ago

    “How dare you protest!!!”

    Literally all Kamala has to do is announce a plan to stop war crimes and gain these votes back. The fact she won’t is on her, not on the people concerned over Gaza.

    By the way, I don’t support Trump, I don’t think you should vote for Trump, but if you want to protest by supporting third parties until Kamala changes her policy you have my full support

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      1 hour ago

      Let’s imagine a world where we stop sending weapons to Israel. What does a disarmed Israel look like, in your imagination? How will it affect the geopolitical situation in the middle east?

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        Is there any middle ground between “not receiving 20 billion a year in weapons” and “disarmed”

        The centrist mind may never know.

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          Is there any middle ground between “not receiving 20 billion a year in weapons” and “disarmed”

          Of course there is. The US has already stopped sending certain weapons aid to Israel over the situation in Gaza.

          I’ll mostly ignore the childish insult, but you can do better at discussing the world like a mature adult, I’m sure.

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              Yes. I do mean that one, and I agree that is was not enough. What additional stoppages do you think should occur?

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            Of course. But a mature adult likely wouldn’t have injected the term “disarmed”. Like we were enacting an arms embargo, which we do to dozens Of countries around the world.

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              Okay, so let’s discuss the level of armament withdraw you think would be appropriate, and the affects varying levels might have.

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        46 minutes ago

        Obviously Israel would stop killing Palestinians if they knew we wouldn’t support their existence. They know we’ll continue to support them, so that’s why they’re still killing Palestinians

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      Even if Kamala does announce this, does she have the support of Congress to do so? And would Netanyahu even listen if they did? The stuff happening in the Middle East has been going on for decades and I doubt it’ll stop anytime soon, unfortunately. Even without Western arms.

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        47 minutes ago

        That’s obviously not true since Raegan stopped bombing in (I believe) Lebanon with one phone call

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      3 hours ago

      Why doesn’t Trump have to announce a plan to stop war crimes? Why does Harris always have a higher bar to overcome than Trump? A protest to save lives has failed if more people die because of the protest.

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          So you know that trump will be worse for Palistinians. And yet you’re willing to risk him winning to prove a point to Harris and democrats?

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            My California vote won’t affect the federal election in any way except to ever so slightly budge the needle on third party popularity. If I were in a battleground state or hell even a battleground district I would take a different approach.

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        Because everyone knows that Trump is not going to move on this issue, or really do anything good at all. Dems are supposed to be better than Trump, or at least they certainly insist that they are. People holding Kamala to a higher standard are taking the Dems at their word.

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          Then they objectively know Trump is the worse option. With the polls as close as they are, the protesters are willing to let trump win which will lead more gazans to suffer and die. These protests feed trump and netanyahu.

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        48 minutes ago

        Do you want Trump to win? Because that’s how you get Trump to win