Meme: Screenshot of microblog post by @alanjack replying to @fotchi.
Caption: I still don’t know why part of autistic/adhd diagnosis isn’t putting you in a room with someone already diagnosed and seeing how quickly you bond.
To be double sure, do the test once, then separate the people for three months, then reintroduce them and see if they just resume their conversation.
“As i was saying before i was so rudely interrupted 14 years ago…”
I just long for the day I wake up and find that the Saudi royal family are swinging from lampposts and that they’ve got a proper government that represents the people of Saudi Arabia.
I’m starting to like this guy.
Everyone is bisexual. Almost everyone has the sexual potential for anything.
Speech to Harrow Gay Unity Group (18 August 1981).
(totally irrelevant but thats freaking great)
…this got so personal so quickly.
That describes every lasting relationship of my life starting with my best friend from first grade and ending with my best friend from the Navy. I think I’ve only had a single conversation with my best friend from first grade. It’s not finished until one of us dies.
So any normal male friendship?
I have a girlfriend who I reconnect perfectly with and we rarely speak more than once a year but it’s always awesome.
similarily if you pop 200mg of caffeine and fall asleep that might be a slight indication that you have adhd
Just sounds like caffeine addiction. I used to be able to drinks pot of coffee and then go to sleep. Then health issues caused me to give up all caffeine for several years and now if I have half a cup im wired for hours…
True, but I never drink coffee and could drink one right now and go sleep. The same when I was prescribed methylphenidate, straight to sleep. A non ADHD brain would be going 100mph.
Knowing that, this might be the best evidence that I am not ADHD I’ve heard, lol.
AuDHD is a big bag of symptoms that everyone pulls from a random amount of times, it’s perfectly possible to pull enough symptoms to get diagnosed with ADHD yet simply not have gotten the one that makes caffeine work differently on you.
I wouldn’t take mine or others experiences as the norm, if you’re diagnosed I would discuss with your psychologist to be sure either way.
You are 100% right, and I know it… But I’m bad at taking care of health stuff, going to doctors, etc… I’ll try, that’s the best I can say. :)
i don’t mean “being able to fall asleep”, i mean that caffeine actively makes you tired, because that’s how stimulants work for most ADHD people: rather than actually stimulate, it brings you back to base level and thus lets you be tired.
I know some people are “caffeine addicted” but I genuinely don’t know how the fuck people do it.
I drink a cup of coffee a day, 16oz, sometimes there’s also an energy drink in the mix, on some really serious days I have a headache or migraine and an Excedrin adds a little more in the mix.
One day I made a full pot of coffee and decided to attempt to consume the entire thing over the course of the day. I felt like my heart was trying to escape from my chest and that I was soon going to die.
An 8oz cup of coffee only has like 75-100mg of caffeine in it. With your 16oz cup plus an energy drink plus an Excedrin, that would be like ~400-500mg of caffeine. Assuming a typical drip coffee maker that can make 12 cups, you’re looking at a total of like ~1000-1200mg of caffeine, double or triple your estimated daily amount. So it’s kinda no wonder you felt wired that day. Extreme, sudden spikes in your stimulant intake will do that.
see this is the thing: i can take a 200mg caffeine pill in the middle of the day and forget i’ve done so, it has basically no effect whatsoever, neither positive nor negative.
The only actual reliable effect caffeine has on me is enabling me to get out of bed before noon, so that’s the only thing i use it for.That about sums up how I used to feel which caused me to stop consuming caffeine. When I could hear my own pulse while in a public place, I knew my blood pressure was a problem.
not everyone has a weak heart, some people train their heart like a muscle.
That is not how hearts work, well, not exactly.
When you gave up caffeine did you experience rebound insomnia?
I gave up caffeine a month ago on my neurologists orders and it’s been easy, no obvious withdrawal symptoms, no cravings, I just replaced all my tea and coffee and redbull with herbal tea and lemonade.
But I have not gotten more than 3 hours of consecutive sleep in this month, and I’m missing the relaxation and quiet that a refreshing 9pm redbull used to offer, I’ve got plenty of other relaxing rituals, but none so easy as just drinking coffee.
I started drinking coffee at 15 and religiously relishing redbulls at 21. Now in my 30s, this is the first time I’ve had true insomnia symptoms.
My mother has been an insomniac her whole life, my dad is narcoleptic, I was previously diagnosed with N24CRD and my brother has DSPS, so I come from a family of fucked up sleepers, but this is a new symptom set for me and it appears directly related to giving up caffeine.
I’m hoping it’s just an adjustment period and my brain will sort itself out and get some sleep soon.
I did not have that issue. I actually overslept A LOT when on caffeine, I think I just wasn’t getting very restful sleep so I would sleep for 20-30 hours if I did not set any alarms. When I got off caffeine I started going to bed a earlier (still a “night owl” but going to bed at like 1 or 2 am instead of 5 or 6am) and sleeping without alarms gets me 10ish hours. I used to regularly sleep entirely through my “weekends” off work… Life was very stressful without any usable free time.
That’s me in my normal rhythm of substance abuse with caffeine.
It might be that.
Then again, the funny thing about caffeine is that I can go without some for weeks as long as I’m not expected to work. Longest I’ve gone without was a 12 week, almost 3 month streak. The coffee I had in my kitchen went bad.
Being able to forget you are addicted to something is also an ADHD trait.
That sounds a lot like self medicating to me lmao
i geniunely don’t understand why so many people immediately jump to it sounding like addiction, since when does caffeine addiction make it so taking caffeine makes you tired? Surely the symptom of caffeine addiction (or withdrawal, rather) is that not getting caffeine makes you tired?
It’s because you mentioned the daily healthy dosis of an adult, which are multiple cups, and mention falling asleep. By failing to clarify that you mentioned that dosage of caffeine as the cause of the sleep, my assumption lead to the expectation that the sleep comes DESPITE the caffeine. Hence the substance abuse comment.
Also, one can abuse a substance without an addiction.
But yeah, sometimes I too fall asleep because of coffee, not despite coffee. It’s mostly when I pick it back up after a week or so, but not always.
Ironically, this is how I found out.
I had four different people with ASD, including one person I met for the first time, tell me that I should get myself checked. One was after I had a several hour long convo with someone who could only normally talk with neurotypical people for about 30 minutes before it became a strain. He was shocked that I wasn’t diagnosed and recommended I get checked.
Now the only reason I don’t have a diagnosis is because the evaluator didn’t understand how the criteria worked. Still debating whether to try again for a diagnosis or not.
Same. For years I wondered why I tended to gravitate towards people with autism or ADHD.
I don’t have a formal diagnosis for ASD, but my current provider is very sure I have it. (She says I can get a formal dx, but it will cost a lot and will not really add any value to my life. This is my own situation, it may vary for other people.)
I suppose it depends what you want out of a diagnosis. I pursued getting evaluated for ADHD because I can pursue treatment with a diagnosis that isn’t available to me otherwise.
Either way, good luck to you!
Childhood trauma can cause the same symptoms as autism but that usually gets worked out through therapy and some mood boosters.
Guess how I found out :)
heh we’re a little similar. I thought my symptoms were all childhood trauma and I was just bad at therapy. Whoops.
Oof yeah, having both is definitely a headache. At least you’re here now :)
Yup, same boat. My parents fucked around, and I had to find out…
Welcome to the club!
What’s mood boosters?
Happy pills. I was given amphetamines to start, but that’s an extreme scenario as I was in the psych ward. Nowadays I take a very small dose of a different medicine, just gives a small lift in mood. Not even really noticeable to me but they helped me engage in general, making therapy actually productive.
Interesting, thank you, and good luck!
Now the only reason I don’t have a diagnosis is because the evaluator didn’t understand how the criteria worked
thinking you’re smarter than trained and qualified professionals just makes you have honorary Internet autism
I don’t think I am smarter? When I was done, he literally told me that I met the criteria, but that he thought my symptoms were for other reasons he refused to elaborate on. I checked with my therapist, who was the one who referred me, and she confirmed that that isn’t how it works, and that the evaluator didn’t understand how the criteria were supposed to be graded.
Do you happen to be a woman?
I had doctors ignore my formal tests and diagnosis to decide within 10 minutes of meeting me that I can’t possibly have ADHD.
Then again, maybe it was just your turn with his God complex
I am not a woman, but I am a trans man, which he knew as part of my medical history. I have considered if that was a factor, but I am honestly chalking it up to general incompetence given his explanations of criteria and what he would consider an acceptable answer.
For example, me having sensory issues that lead to me sometimes being unable to wear socks didn’t count because I was able to wear different types of socks, and even prefer different types depending on the day. According to him, I would need to have a single, strong preference for a type of sock. According to everyone else I have asked about it, the point of the question is that neurotypical people don’t have days where they can’t wear a certain sock or they will be unable to focus on anything else until they take it off.
Ugh is it those socks that feel weird/tight around the toes? I have one pair that has a very cool design (goats) but they feel tight around the toes and I just nyaagh
[edit] Also, all praise for the HEMA (Dutch underwear/household shop) for printing the size info in the back of the shirt instead of attaching those fucking labels.
I’m a “professional” at the top of my field - there are absolutely stupid people up here with me.
“Testing well” isn’t “critical thinking.”
Drag knows lots of people with autism who are absolute assholes and drag doesn’t get along with them at all. So this test wouldn’t work reliably.
Ever seen Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs? Flint Lockwood and his dad both have big time autism, and precisely opposite mannerisms and special interests. They don’t understand each other at all and it takes a lot of effort for them to get along.
Solid take Drag, couldn’t agree more
Drag, may i ask you why you refer to drag in such a way? What would in most cases refered to as “third-person”? I’m genuinely curious.
Drag uses person-independent drag/dragself pronouns. They’re inflected and conjugated the same way in first, second, and third person. They reflect drag’s identity as a dragon rider.
Ok, i can dig that. So which one is your favorite dragon?
Drag’s favourite dragon is @HonouraryDragon@lemmy.nz. We’re dating. Drag also likes Saphira and Mushu, and thinks Smaug is hot. Drag doesn’t like Toothless because he abandoned his bro.
I like you, drag. Don’t let anyone give you shit.
Protect Drag at all cost
Imma defeat the dragon rider, that’s what I’m gonna do.
Drag is not from Pern by chance? Or have family there maybe?
No, drag knows nothing about Pern but that it has dragon riders.
It’s a drag
always cool to see a drag comment :]
Awww, thanks
i agree, this method would never work. There are plenty of pairs of enemies that are both on the spectrum. My bully in high school had ADHD, just like me.
Eyy, we meet again! I suppose it could help for a portion of autistic people
Yeah, me, my dad, and his dad all surely have it, undiagnosed. None of us get along. Dad and I are trying to work through it, but the man is stubborn and firmly believes I’m a prodigal son.
I find it real easy to detect ADHD in people but that doesn’t automatically make me want to be friends with them. We’re people like everyone else at the end of the day. Some nice, some not so much.
Wouldn’t work, I bond very slowly, due to long time isolation. Psychotherapy is not an option, due to it being defunded in my home country at an even greater scale than other parts of health care, because juST gO To ChuRcH anD PrAY.
I’m sorry to read that.
You’re not wrong, a lot of people who are neurodivergent are mistreated in similar ways. That can lead to anxiety, trauma, habits, etc. All of those can make diagnosis more difficult
Honestly, best detector.
I just joined a Discord server of mostly AuDHD people. Much easier.
I was visiting a doctor, a friend of my wife, and I was like 99% sure she had ADHD after the 20min visit. Didn’t talk about it but after half a year my wife was telling how she was complaining how difficult it is for adults to get into ADHD meds
Adhdar is real
Huh, that actually checks out
Sooo wheneve I take those online tests I always come up as non-autistic, but stuff like this makes me wonder what’s up. I find it very easy to befriend/spend time around autistic people. One will typically seek me out in social situations because we get along well (and I guess I don’t make him feel like a weirdo/outsider?) Hmmmm
Have you been tested for ADHD? There’s a lot of symptom overlap.
It’s also possible you’re not properly adjusting your answers for what the test is really asking, vs what it’s literally asking. Ex: if you answer “disagree” to the statement “I have difficulty making it to appointments on time” because you don’t have that problem anymore now that you have an elaborate set of reminders you set for yourself, then “agree” is a more accurate answer to that question, lol.
James Bond. Junior.
Try diagnosing sex addiction with how well the addict clicks with others.
Hmm I’d better get tested for sex addiction, just to be safe.
How many times do I gotta just to be sure?
