A good example is https://lemmy.world/c/documentaries

One of their mods, https://lemmy.world/u/sabbah, currently mods 54 communites despite only being on Lemmy for about a month and has never posted on c/documentaries (except for his post asking for people to join his mod team).

The other mod, https://lemmy.world/u/AradFort, has one post to c/documentaries and moderates 18 communities.

Does Lemmy.World have a plan to remove this kind of cancer before we start getting reddit supermods here too?

Edit: This comment shows how this is even more dangerous than I had thought.

Edit2: Official answer from LW admin is here

Final: Was going to create an issue for this on the Lemmy github, but I browsed for awhile and found that it had already been done. If anyone wants to continue the discussion there, here it is - https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3452

Perhap we need another issue for the problem in the original edit (It being impossible currently to remove a ‘founding’ mod without destroying either the community of their account)

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    I’ve been trying to get an active mod to take over on the lemmy.world battlestations community, but despite my efforts posting in the lemmy.world support community which the admins have suggested doing for this exact issue there has been no change. https://lemmy.world/u/mandlar

    In general I find it pointless for there to exist a million empty communities even when the creators have good intentions. Most of them are sub communities of a broader category which only serves to unnecessarily split a community while there is barely traffic in the broader topic. You shouldn’t make a more specific topiced community unless the subject you want to discuss is getting burried in overwhelming traffic of the broader community.

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      But there’s people out there who want to be “top mod” and do zero work. It’s like opening a lemonade stand but the only employee is a CEO that works from home.

      They think since a community on reddit existed with that name, all they have to do is make a Lemmy community with the same name.

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      One of the worst things about Reddit was that you could make a subreddit for anything but peeling away any amount of users from the “main” sub was next to impossible and forget about new user traffic without having the “default” name. Therefore the mods of that sub become the defacto admins of that topic on reddit until they piss off enough people to really get an alternative moving. Many different subreddits were actively fucked up by bad moderation but users kept dog piling in because it had the basic name you would think to search for, i.e. “television” or “videos” or “movies” or what have you. That name is real estate on reddit because no one else can have it, and that keeps horrible mods entrenched.

      I think we should encourage several hubs and stop worrying about “splitting” communities. We have the benefit here of letting different communities grow under the same name to avoid that situation where a shitty mod team gets unchallenged ownership. No one else could make a /r/sandiego, so they never shook that real estate free from its horrible mod. Here? That’s not an issue.

      For example, one of Lemmy.world’s biggest communities was locked by the head mod and forced to a different instance to join with another community. Without input from the lemmy.world users. It’s still sitting there in the communities list, locked, but high up on subscribers. Meanwhile the instance it was moved to is moderated much more strictly. Admins over there heavily “curate”; remove any post they don’t think are worthy enough to be posted.

      I think that community should be unlocked and a new moderator should be allowed to take over, so there’s a different version of that community on a different instance, then people can have a choice between what type of moderation they want to exist under.

      Edit: !android@lemmy.world

      Edit2: Reworded this mess for clarity

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        Pruning is an important step.

        It would be insane for admins to say that sub that lasted a month gets to just stay locked forever

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        Federation directly addresses this. If there’s a locked community, or a fake community on some instance, make another elsewhere. There will be some growing pains, but eventually people should migrate to the community that best suits their interests and attitudes. It’s messy and more work than just taking the big corporate sponsored option, but that’s the nature of organic communities.

        There was another thread recently asking, “Do I need to subscribe to [community] on all these different instances?” Sure, that’s a great way to find the ‘best’ one for you. Or just sub the biggest, or the one on the biggest instance, and hope for the best.

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          I am not sure I understand. If I create a community on a different instance with the same name as a community somewhere else, how do those communities relate to each other?

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            They don’t really but if you search for a community, let’s say “drumandbass” you will see all of those communities on all instances and subscribe to all of those. And if you don’t agree with how one is being run you can either help grow another one or star one on another instance from scratch.

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        Is it the android community you’re referring to? As I believe that is run by the same moderators as was on the original subreddit, which is a shame.

        I don’t feel like transplanting the exact same leadership / moderator teams as was on Reddit is always the best idea and some element of choice is important.

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          There is no global authority to decide whether they are “allowed” or not. By design.

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          Bro we just got this space where no corporate overlords are dictating what we do. Can you not ask for corporate overlords to dictate what we do wtf is wrong with you?

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      Mandler has not been active in a month. If you want any of the communities make a post there, tag me and I will add you as a moderator.

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        Dude was on Lemmy for 1 day and snagged 8 different pokemon subs…

        He was really trying to catch them all

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            Thanks!

            Now that I’m committed, I started looking around for inspiration to improve the community… and I’ve just realized that !fire@lemmy.ml exists and seems like it has effort being put into it, too. Womp, womp.

            I haven’t entirely decided where I stand on the whole “splitting communities is better/worse than having one canonical community for each topic” issue, but at the moment I’m at least leaning towards wanting to cooperate or complement, rather than compete. If anybody has advice about how to mod in such a way as to produce the best outcome for everybody interested in the topic instead of just trying to steal that community’s thunder, I’m all ears!

            (Alternatively, if folks want a place to talk about actual combustion instead of personal finance, I guess that option could be on the table too…)

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              fortunately the fediverse is much more liquid than reddit so no one really knows honestly what it will look like in a year. Right now it’s going through rapid change, and I think there will be a sort of equalization that will happen eventually.

              I was a mod early on in reddit’s creation and several subreddits used to group together and list each other each others sidebars to create an index of sorts. I think maybe having multiple communities across different servers, by the same name, but with different topics of interest could possibly serve to aid in more in depth discussions.

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        Hey, I guess the admins removed u/sabbah from top mod of c/worldnews because they permabanned people for disagreeing with their personal opinions…

        Figured you might want to know the new mods added them back already because they think sabbah is good at “conflict resolution”

        https://lemmy.world/comment/1397441

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      The splitting the content comment is fair, I’ve seen heaps of random subreddits created when the main one still doesn’t have lots of content. Why fragment the experience, articles posted will now probably have less engagement and not be as exciting.