You guys were friends with Chrome?
Seriously! Even back in 2007 I was all “chrome is faster? Great, now Firefox has some competition” I never switched to chrome. You couldn’t pay me to use that privacy nightmare.
I used it when it was new and google didn’t seem so bad. Google even sent me one of the original Chromebook prototypes (CH-47) before they launched as a product for sale. i don’t know when it started to become clear that google was going evil, but around 10 years ago it was really obvious where things were headed.
i don’t know when it started to become clear that google was going evil
It was around the time they removed “Don’t be evil” from their official philosophy.
i haven’t used chrome in over ten years. i could never understand why anyone the least bit nerdy would use it, but that’s autism for ya
Honestly? I’m lazy, my adblocker still works so that’s enough for me
I have run Ungoogled Chromium, Thorium, and Vivaldi, and all of them perform much faster and better than Librewolf.
And Librewolf is my daily driver.
FF has been my daily driver for at least a decade, but I gotta test my web apps in everything :/
I kinda prefer Vivaldi for testing chromium-based browsers. I guess MS Edge would be a similar experience too nowadays
Vivaldi is so pretty, I hide pretty much everything from the interface and use it for making product demo and training videos. I considered using it as a daily but I’ve got FF set up just the way I like it.
I draw the line at installing edge on my linux machine! I just figure that if chrome works then edge works and haven’t had anyone report any issues.
Safari is the real pain in the butt…
Tab groups. I switched from Chrome to Firefox when all this Manifest V3 stuff started, and I’m still looking for a Firefox extension that works as well and looks as clean as the way Chrome handles tab grouping.
Firefox has panorama and supports browser groups which swap the whole visble tab bar. Lots of options.
Neither of those are nearly as effective though
Chromium does have a clean UI. I still use Librewolf but the Firefox UI is a mess
What UI? Both browsers render one line with tabs and the address bar below. They’re almost identical.
For reals. This is the browser equivalent of being concerned that your car only has 14-way adjustable seats instead of 16, or whatever the marketing team dreamed up last year.
Look at the screen usage though. It wastes a lot of space.
Alt-tabbing back and forth, chrome’s combined tabs, address, and bookmarks bar is larger than Firefox 's…?
By default Firefox puts spacers either side of its URL bar, is that what you mean? Just remove them
What exactly is “clean” about a ui that doesnt conform to the os ui standards…? The ui is basically bloated because of it.
To me, the Chromium UI looks and feels like a toy…
Could you be more specific? I’ve been using ff regularly for a long time now and never feel like the UI is getting in the way, though I do use a tab groups add-on to help manage my mess of open tabs. But I also haven’t used Chrome for even longer than I’ve been using ff, so I’m curious about what specific ways you think the chrome ui is better.
All the buttons and menu options are huge
In my UI (on desktop), tabs take up the title bar and all the other necessary buttons fit in the row with the address field. I’ve also got a bookmarks bar below that but it’s optional. There’s also the optional sidebar that I do use but mostly keep hidden.
For menus, there’s the tab menu that is a button on the tab row and is mostly filled with open tabs plus 4 other items. Then there’s the main menu with 19 items. Tbf, one is undesired (log in for sync) and at least 7 are redundant (as in if they weren’t there, I’d still have easy access to their functionality), but I find menus are easier to discover features through (and hate how MS wants to get rid of them) and am ok with the redundancy.
There’s also various context menus, but I’ve never found them to be obtrusive.
This is the state after some customization, but not a crazy amount. If I install FF on a new system, I can usually get it to a point where I’m happy with it pretty quickly.
If you mean the mobile version, I can understand that a bit more but personally prefer the screen space to be used up to expose more functionality. On mobile, I’ve felt like FF gives me the most power that feels closest to what I can do on a desktop, though tbf it’s been a while since I used other browsers (excluding electron stuff or apps that integrate Chrome or Google Web view for web browsing rather than letting me use my preferred browser, though I’ve never felt happy with the more minimalist UI instead of the capabilities FF exposes).
I also haven’t tried librewolf and don’t know if the same UI is possible there.
I actually like the UI of the mobile version. I am also used to Firefox at this point but when I first moved it was painful. I think they should polish up the UI and focus on minimalism I stead of cramming in new features
If you haven’t used Firefox in 3+ years, its improved a lot. For 99% of people its interchangeable with Chrome except for being in the Google ecosystem.
Always has been.
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I though it is not supposed to be polished since it rather new?
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I’m on Librewolf too. Recently its been fully signing me out of my extensions on every startup, so I can’t just unlock bitwarden with my pin anymore. Anyone else run into this?
That was a bug in the bw extension, it’s not unique to LW
E: I use LW and bw and had this issue a couple of months ago, but it’s been back to normal for a month+
Ah, this just started in the last couple of weeks.
I love Librewolf too, and if you’re looking to explore other options I do recommend giving the Mullvad Browser a go. It’s another firefox fork but I believe it handles fingerprinting in a better manner. Similarly, it comes with uBlock Origin built in but also NoScript. I’d likely use it as my primary browser but I don’t really care for NoScript and removing the extension would ultimately defeat the fingerprint resistance of Mullvad.
Brow-curious, lol. I’m gonna use that one
Ublock is building a manifest v3 compatible extension, in case you want to compare the effectiveness of v2 vs v3 Ublock.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin-lite/ddkjiahejlhfcafbddmgiahcphecmpfh
It’s sad that firefox only exists to keep chrome from becoming a monopoly, around 80% of Mozilla’s income is from Google to keep google.com the default search engine.
I tried Vivaldi and honestly it looks and feel amazing, but the issue is that it’s chromium based, but if mozilla put more effort in actually working on firefox, I would love it even more. Wish librewolf had a mobile app
Use Mull on mobile
But google search is utter crap now. Duckduckgo is far better today. Only image search is still better on google.
There’s only like one notable website I’ve had to use chromium for instead of Firefox.
The website for recalibrating a Google Pixel’s fingerprint sensor. I’ve had to use that website twice, and I just used Microsoft Edge to do it since I can’t uninstall it.
Which site?!? I like my pixel but the fingerprint sensor is like it was made by insane baboons
https://pixelrepair.withgoogle.com/
Worth noting that the calibration is for when you replace your phone screen, because often the phone screen comes with a new fingerprint scanner and for some reason the phone won’t recognize it without a firmware update.
IDK what pixel you have, but iirc some of them are just known for having kinda shitty scanners. I have a pixel six with a glass screen protector and I often have to try more than once.
Really enjoying Zen browser this week, may be my new favorite. The tab handling is VERY weird at first though.
TIL, it is Gecko-based but more than just another Firefox clone.
Kinda neat, right? What do you think of it so far?
Since you asked I had to download it and give it a try. I liked how the installation was simple, just one command, no need to download an installer and follow a wizard. I personally prefer Linux but I’m on Windows now for reasons. Overall it feels familiar but different, I still need more time with it, but I do like the Zen Sidebar feature already.
Oh, I thought you had already.
I need the quick and easy profile switching management in Firefox like I have in Chrome and I’ll never look back.
That looks like something similar to what I’d find useful, but the requirement to download a separate binary to use the plugin feels like 100% malware and I will not touch it.
bro it’s open source https://github.com/null-dev/firefox-profile-switcher-connector
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What I did for that is I made a second shortcut on my taskbar, so now it lets me open both instances or just one
Yes, I’ve done that, but I don’t want more icons on desktop and I’m out of room on the taskbar for even more goddamn icons. Unfortuantely the muti-account-containers isn’t quite what I want, and the other suggested plugin hasn’t been updated in 2 years and also requires a separate binary download to work, which just screams malware and if off the table entirely. Thanks for the suggestion any how. I’m still looking. Cheers!
It is a shame that Firefox won’t support WebSerial. That is the only reason I have to use Chrome.
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Is MV3 finally out?
Congratulations to a partnerships success coming from Google’s payment being Firefox’s main source of income…
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Chromium based. Has the same issues.
I don’t like Brave because the CEO is a homophobe and it’s basically an ad itself for the BAT scam.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
You should use your ad blocker with a browser that isn’t based on Google Chromium.
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Yes it is
Wikipedia is somewhat of a source aggregator. All the sources are at the bottom of the page. So yes, it is a “real” source of information.
