At that point it’s going to become obvious to everyone that the US is not going to protect Europe going forward.
I don’t think Ukraine will change the Russophobia of European political leaders and the desire to have a deterrent against an imagined Russian attack. All that othering and saber rattling has tremendous utility in domestic politics. They’ll want to keep NATO for those reasons, and the U.S. will want to keep it to maintain imperial hegemony, so I see it continuing for some time.
I think the person quote in the OP is discounting the extent to which European political leaders are in on the U.S. plan in Ukraine: the fantasy that they can defeat Russia on the battlefield, which will cause a crisis in their government, which will allow Western capital to scoop up a bunch of cheap assets in the country like the bonanza after the fall of the USSR.
That’s my point though, it’s increasingly looking like the current political class is not really in touch with their constituents. And it’s pretty clear that the parties that are gaining momentum are all anti war, and largely anti NATO. Current political establishment absolutely wants to keep doing what they’re doing, but I doubt they will be able to hold on to power for long. What Todd is saying is that the whole current political order is going to collapse.
I don’t think Ukraine will change the Russophobia of European political leaders and the desire to have a deterrent against an imagined Russian attack. All that othering and saber rattling has tremendous utility in domestic politics. They’ll want to keep NATO for those reasons, and the U.S. will want to keep it to maintain imperial hegemony, so I see it continuing for some time.
I think the person quote in the OP is discounting the extent to which European political leaders are in on the U.S. plan in Ukraine: the fantasy that they can defeat Russia on the battlefield, which will cause a crisis in their government, which will allow Western capital to scoop up a bunch of cheap assets in the country like the bonanza after the fall of the USSR.
That’s my point though, it’s increasingly looking like the current political class is not really in touch with their constituents. And it’s pretty clear that the parties that are gaining momentum are all anti war, and largely anti NATO. Current political establishment absolutely wants to keep doing what they’re doing, but I doubt they will be able to hold on to power for long. What Todd is saying is that the whole current political order is going to collapse.