As someone who hangs out with a lot of furries, and also only ever gets furries as art customers:
Yes, I understand the discomfort around furries. I can blame people for going out of their way to troll furries, but I can’t blame people to want nothing to do with furries.
The furry fandom is by and large filled with people who have massive insecurities. This doesn’t count for everyone, but you’re more likely to find an emotionally unstable furry than not. It’s the ultimate escapism; where people with personal issues create a character with none of those personal issues, and pretend to be said character in an environment where consequences don’t exist. It is not for nothing there is such a massive amount (compared to Earth’s overall average) of gay, bi, and trans people in the fandom.
Yes, it’s also a sex thing. I’ve seen someone in the comments say “sex positive”, but I wouldn’t call it that. The furry fandom is a place where a gay or a bisexual person can express their sexuality without persecution, like often happens in places like the United States or Poland, but… It’s not really sex positivity, rather it’s debauchery. So much debauchery. Which harkens back to escaping into the ideal world without consequences; you can have copious amount of sex and/or sexualise as much as you want without any of the usual responsibilities or consequences that comes with sex.
It is fun to occasionally partake in such debauchery. I’m no prude and I’m not afraid to admit I’m also a bit of a horny guy. So partaking in the occasional kinky, sexy fiction can be fun. Except for a furry it isn’t really fiction, which is where a lot of weirdness and unease comes from. And for those who can afford going to conventions or meetups regularly, this level of debauchery occasionally happens in real life… With real life consequences.
A furry lives in a fictional comfort zone where they can pretend to be a character in a world without consequences. But even in exclusively online communities real life tends to catch up with people, so members inside of communities will get pushed outside of this comfort bubble and be reminded about reality. This is the cause for a lot of infamous furry drama.
It is fun to occasionally partake in such debauchery. I’m no prude and I’m not afraid to admit I’m also a bit of a horny guy. So partaking in the occasional kinky, sexy fiction can be fun. Except for a furry it isn’t really fiction, which is where a lot of weirdness and unease comes from.
I’m a furry and I’m unsure what you mean by this
members inside of communities will get pushed outside of this comfort bubble and be reminded about reality. This is the cause for a lot of infamous furry drama.
and I’m really not sure what you’re talking about here
Funny how one event where the actions of a few people fucked everything up must imply something for the whole group, especially since there’s bigger, long-running conventions like Anthrocon that have become part of the city’s event culture like any other festival. But you don’t hear about that because it’s not scandalous.
And I know you know that Rainfurrest happened in 2015 and nothing even remotely like it has been seen at the hundreds of much larger furry conventions that have happened since.
Neither of the parts of that comment I quoted could reasonably be talking about Rainfurrest, first of all. Second of all, nowhere did I say it wasn’t a big deal; I said the people who perpetrated that were quite severely punished and nothing even remotely similar to that has happened before or since. Lastly, I can’t help but notice you didn’t reply to the other person who replied to you asking why the entire furry fandom should be criticized because of the actions of a tiny handful of their members nearly a decade ago.
Yeah, I don’t have anything on my profile because… Dunno really what to put on it. Didn’t really cross my mind to put anything on it either.
But yeah, I got FA. All my customers are furries, so the majority of my art is furry. Wouldn’t make sense not to have an FA account. Anyway, here it is:
If this comment ends up near the top, the reply section will be… Interesting. It’ll no doubt start to attract furries who themselves have something to say about it, and they’ll generally fall into 4 categories:
Those who aren’t the unstable kind, generally just think furry characters are cool, and agree with what I wrote.
Those who fit my description of the fandom, and are self reflective enough to agree, but own it too.
Those who fit my description of the fandom, and feel personally attacked. They’ll likely get very emotional and lash out.
Those who disagree because they lack any sort of outside perspective, either because they’re too in the middle of everything or are part of a very niche group in the fandom.
I’ve shared my take before and these are generally the responses.
Since anecdotal evidence can only go so far here’s what a group of researchers say on the topic:
Some seek psychological explanations, suggesting that furries may be people with developmental problems or psychological conditions. Others assume situational explanations such as a broken childhood or a tumultuous, friendless, socially awkward childhood. After all, most furries have experienced significant bullying, and abundant psychological evidence shows that bullying, stigma, and concealed stigmatized identities can be particularly damaging to a person’s well-being. One would therefore expect furries to show evidence of significantly compromised well-being.
Data collected on the well-being of furries suggests otherwise, however. Across several samples, furries and non-furries did not significantly differ from one another on measures of life satisfaction and self-esteem.
Furries did not differ with regard to their physical health, psychological health, or the quality of their relationships, and were actually more likely to have a stable and coherent sense of identity than non-furries.
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The well-being of furries was also compared across fandoms (see figures above and below.)
Furries did not differ significantly from convention-going anime fans or fantasy sport fans, and were actually higher in life satisfaction and self-esteem than online anime fans, all groups which experience less stigma than furries do.
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Taken together, these data, in conjunction with the rest of the data in Section 117, demonstrate that furries, contrary to popular misconceptions, are surprisingly well-adjusted. It’s worth noting that this lack of difference in well-being occurs despite the fact that most furries have a history of significant bullying. One possible explanation for this is the ameliorating role of the fandom: given that belongingness and acceptance are both important values in the furry fandom, as is compassion, helping, and global citizenship, for many furries, the fandom is a source of social support. Social psychologists have long recognized the important role that social support plays in building resilience and fostering well-being, and future studies are planned to test whether this mechanism explains furries’ tendency to thrive despite often enduring significant hardship.
They have verifiable sources and are an international group of interdisciplinary scientists but their conclusions don’t mean that your subjective experiences aren’t real. Still, they are anecdotal, which is why I wanted to provide another source of information for people reading this thread.
EDIT: To clarify, Furscience is a research group funded by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. They are actual, published scientists, some with doctorates. Even if some of them are part of the subculture they still apply proper methodology and are subject to peer review.
I don’t see this furry science being referenced outside of furry science.
I don’t quite understand what you mean by that but their publications have been cited by people who aren’t part of the research group. Which is an actual academic endeavor with many contributors, not just someone blogging.
As someone with adjacent experience with the fandom also, I concur with your assertions here and can safely say that the only way to win is to not play.
As someone who hangs out with a lot of furries, and also only ever gets furries as art customers:
Yes, I understand the discomfort around furries. I can blame people for going out of their way to troll furries, but I can’t blame people to want nothing to do with furries.
The furry fandom is by and large filled with people who have massive insecurities. This doesn’t count for everyone, but you’re more likely to find an emotionally unstable furry than not. It’s the ultimate escapism; where people with personal issues create a character with none of those personal issues, and pretend to be said character in an environment where consequences don’t exist. It is not for nothing there is such a massive amount (compared to Earth’s overall average) of gay, bi, and trans people in the fandom.
Yes, it’s also a sex thing. I’ve seen someone in the comments say “sex positive”, but I wouldn’t call it that. The furry fandom is a place where a gay or a bisexual person can express their sexuality without persecution, like often happens in places like the United States or Poland, but… It’s not really sex positivity, rather it’s debauchery. So much debauchery. Which harkens back to escaping into the ideal world without consequences; you can have copious amount of sex and/or sexualise as much as you want without any of the usual responsibilities or consequences that comes with sex.
It is fun to occasionally partake in such debauchery. I’m no prude and I’m not afraid to admit I’m also a bit of a horny guy. So partaking in the occasional kinky, sexy fiction can be fun. Except for a furry it isn’t really fiction, which is where a lot of weirdness and unease comes from. And for those who can afford going to conventions or meetups regularly, this level of debauchery occasionally happens in real life… With real life consequences.
A furry lives in a fictional comfort zone where they can pretend to be a character in a world without consequences. But even in exclusively online communities real life tends to catch up with people, so members inside of communities will get pushed outside of this comfort bubble and be reminded about reality. This is the cause for a lot of infamous furry drama.
I’m a furry and I’m unsure what you mean by this
and I’m really not sure what you’re talking about here
We know you know about rainfurrest. We know you know.
Funny how one event where the actions of a few people fucked everything up must imply something for the whole group, especially since there’s bigger, long-running conventions like Anthrocon that have become part of the city’s event culture like any other festival. But you don’t hear about that because it’s not scandalous.
And I know you know that Rainfurrest happened in 2015 and nothing even remotely like it has been seen at the hundreds of much larger furry conventions that have happened since.
But you were soooo unsure what they were talking about, now it did happen but it wasn’t a big deal.
Next: it was a big deal but those poor bystanders deserved it.
Neither of the parts of that comment I quoted could reasonably be talking about Rainfurrest, first of all. Second of all, nowhere did I say it wasn’t a big deal; I said the people who perpetrated that were quite severely punished and nothing even remotely similar to that has happened before or since. Lastly, I can’t help but notice you didn’t reply to the other person who replied to you asking why the entire furry fandom should be criticized because of the actions of a tiny handful of their members nearly a decade ago.
Out of curiosity, do you have any art portfolio or website or anything (I assume no FA)? I checked your bio but it’s blank.
Yeah, I don’t have anything on my profile because… Dunno really what to put on it. Didn’t really cross my mind to put anything on it either.
But yeah, I got FA. All my customers are furries, so the majority of my art is furry. Wouldn’t make sense not to have an FA account. Anyway, here it is:
https://www.furaffinity.net/user/tattorack
What I am at my core, though, is a science fiction and Bionicle fan. Here’s one of the things I made on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/JzFZr2V0SnM
This comment needs to be at the top
If this comment ends up near the top, the reply section will be… Interesting. It’ll no doubt start to attract furries who themselves have something to say about it, and they’ll generally fall into 4 categories:
Those who aren’t the unstable kind, generally just think furry characters are cool, and agree with what I wrote.
Those who fit my description of the fandom, and are self reflective enough to agree, but own it too.
Those who fit my description of the fandom, and feel personally attacked. They’ll likely get very emotional and lash out.
Those who disagree because they lack any sort of outside perspective, either because they’re too in the middle of everything or are part of a very niche group in the fandom.
I’ve shared my take before and these are generally the responses.
Since anecdotal evidence can only go so far here’s what a group of researchers say on the topic:
https://furscience.com/research-findings/wellness-dysfunction/11-1-wellness/
I cannot trust “furscience” to be impartial.
They have verifiable sources and are an international group of interdisciplinary scientists but their conclusions don’t mean that your subjective experiences aren’t real. Still, they are anecdotal, which is why I wanted to provide another source of information for people reading this thread.
EDIT: To clarify, Furscience is a research group funded by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. They are actual, published scientists, some with doctorates. Even if some of them are part of the subculture they still apply proper methodology and are subject to peer review.
Fair enough. You’re right on that front.
“I cannot trust “furscience” to be impartial.” I love this quote.
god forbid i trust climate scientists to tell me whether climate change is happening.
Climate science doesn’t come from a single source. I don’t see this furry science being referenced outside of furry science.
I don’t quite understand what you mean by that but their publications have been cited by people who aren’t part of the research group. Which is an actual academic endeavor with many contributors, not just someone blogging.
god forbid a chemistry major doesn’t peer review my sociological paper written on the furry community.
TBF a sociologist might, but furscience are likely sociologists anyway so.
As someone with adjacent experience with the fandom also, I concur with your assertions here and can safely say that the only way to win is to not play.