• bunnygirl [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    6 hours ago

    Eh, I’m not holding my breath tbh

    at least from what I’ve seen the minister of foreign trade says the current export restrictions are purely based on national security and is pretty much fine with them, so I don’t really see them changing soon? It’d be a pleasant surprise tho

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      5 hours ago

      This will be interesting to watch. Will there be a real backlash again US policies or will the countries destroy their high tech sectors to show loyalty.

    • darkcalling [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      3 hours ago

      That’s not happening. This is meaningless talk.

      They’re still withholding the machines and maintenance to the top end processes from China on national security grounds. They’ve already committed economic suicide. Germany is blaming Ukraine for the Nordstream attacks.

      They lost their chance for independence this decade with the blowing up of Nordstream and when they all jumped onboard with anti-Russia sanctions and supplying weapons. The US has an interest in keeping the war in Ukraine burning or ending in a Korea type situation without a clear winner to keep Europe off Russian gas and reliant on US gas. Meanwhile the US poaches their talent, empties their industry into its pockets (some goes to China but that’s the way the cookie crumbles), and so on.

      The idea of an independent Europe is laughable, it was happening but in too weak a way to ever succeed and the us sabotaged it easily and will again. After Ukraine the US is going to use Taiwan as an issue, there will be a big thing about it declaring independence, Europe will of course have to “stand with European values and democracy” and antagonize China and commit more economic suicide in decoupling from China to abide by US suggested sanctions, and so on. Europe is cooked. They’re going to go to the hard right parties after that happens since the left is not allowed at which point they’ll either start doing imperialism with the US while brutalizing migrants or they might actually take a more skeptical stance against the US and adopt a more mercenary position under the banner of white supremacy and reaction. Either way I’m sorry to say I don’t see socialism in Europe this decade or probably even the 2030s.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      7 hours ago

      I think the quote refers to Dutch saying they have their own independent interests that don’t necessarily align with the US.