Even at the bigger cons which have enough staff to police it, it’s a damned difficult thing to do. You can’t card everyone at the door, panel rooms have to be turned over as quickly as possible (and you can’t force that kind of liability onto your volunteers), people are in costume or just look really young, and that’s even ignoring the seemingly infinite technical issues that every convention is plagued with, etc. etc.
Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just not as simple as “telling them they can’t”. The kind of people that would bring their kid to a hazbin panel aren’t the kind of people that will give a shit about the inconvenient convention rules in the first place.
Which brings me to my suggested solution: Make a rule about it and give every volunteer a cattle prod.
There is a large gap between needing to card someone because the might be younger than 18, and someone bringing little kids. With the little kids you can point to the 18+ sign and just refuse entry.
Also we should stop acting so prudent about sex in regards to teenagers.
If the attendees are not expecting to be involved in a sexual activity and a teenager is old enough to experience sexuality, acts mature, otherwise walk around without supervision and makes their own choices to visit such panel. What harm is their really?
With actual kids there is no doubt, they stick out where they don’t belong.
I would draw the line, i would look at wether or not there is doubt, and give benefit of the doubt to whoever acts mature.
I made a very hard line when the public may become part of the act. But at that point everyone should be ID’d and over the legal age.
I am sort of saying lower the age to give consent to watch/observe public events that include sex elements, like a panel for an adult show. (Its not like teens don’t know how to use the internet, they probable have watched hazbin hotel if they are at the panel)
Actual kids, who should not be unsupervised on the internet are completely out the scope. You cannot give consent for something you don’t fully understand.
If you want to talk age of consent to fuck i am more in favor of a sliding window of acceptable within their age group. Not because they should have sex but because we should respect that teens do experience sexuality and the desire to experiment with that.
I am trying to grasp why minors having sex with other minors is deemed okay. They both cannot consent. Would this not be equal to two drunk people having sex?
This is beyond the scope of the original context but the fundamental question here would be at what point can people provide consent? Currently this depends on a legal per country basis. What constitutes “a minor” is not the same everywhere.
The psychological argument would be whether or not a person is mature enough to fully understand their actions and potential consequences and this is not the same for everyone. People develop maturity - or aspects of maturity at their own pace and at some point will demand or experiment with autonomy and freedom to make their own choices.
To deny that reality and instead use oppression/lack of sex education is counterproductive and leads to more dangerous scenarios.
Eeh, more complicated than that. Enforcing age restrictions is an obnoxiously complex issue, even though by all reasonable measures it shouldn’t be.
The #1 priority of a con is protecting its panelists & volunteers, and while keeping the panelists comfortable is a critical aspect, enforcement of the conditions they need for adult panels can be a logistical nightmare. It’s why so many cons are moving away from having any adult oriented panels at all, and it’s really sad to see that the most reasonable solution is to just not have them.
Yeah, at the end of the day though you have to set realistic expectations and if you can’t round up the staff with that then you can’t have it. Trying to card check everyone coming into the room would just take too long.
Even at the bigger cons which have enough staff to police it, it’s a damned difficult thing to do. You can’t card everyone at the door, panel rooms have to be turned over as quickly as possible (and you can’t force that kind of liability onto your volunteers), people are in costume or just look really young, and that’s even ignoring the seemingly infinite technical issues that every convention is plagued with, etc. etc.
Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just not as simple as “telling them they can’t”. The kind of people that would bring their kid to a hazbin panel aren’t the kind of people that will give a shit about the inconvenient convention rules in the first place.
Which brings me to my suggested solution: Make a rule about it and give every volunteer a cattle prod.
There is a large gap between needing to card someone because the might be younger than 18, and someone bringing little kids. With the little kids you can point to the 18+ sign and just refuse entry.
Also we should stop acting so prudent about sex in regards to teenagers.
If the attendees are not expecting to be involved in a sexual activity and a teenager is old enough to experience sexuality, acts mature, otherwise walk around without supervision and makes their own choices to visit such panel. What harm is their really?
With actual kids there is no doubt, they stick out where they don’t belong.
I would draw the line, i would look at wether or not there is doubt, and give benefit of the doubt to whoever acts mature.
Not sure if age of consent argument
If you want to put it that way:
I made a very hard line when the public may become part of the act. But at that point everyone should be ID’d and over the legal age.
I am sort of saying lower the age to give consent to watch/observe public events that include sex elements, like a panel for an adult show. (Its not like teens don’t know how to use the internet, they probable have watched hazbin hotel if they are at the panel)
Actual kids, who should not be unsupervised on the internet are completely out the scope. You cannot give consent for something you don’t fully understand.
If you want to talk age of consent to fuck i am more in favor of a sliding window of acceptable within their age group. Not because they should have sex but because we should respect that teens do experience sexuality and the desire to experiment with that.
I am trying to grasp why minors having sex with other minors is deemed okay. They both cannot consent. Would this not be equal to two drunk people having sex?
This is beyond the scope of the original context but the fundamental question here would be at what point can people provide consent? Currently this depends on a legal per country basis. What constitutes “a minor” is not the same everywhere.
The psychological argument would be whether or not a person is mature enough to fully understand their actions and potential consequences and this is not the same for everyone. People develop maturity - or aspects of maturity at their own pace and at some point will demand or experiment with autonomy and freedom to make their own choices. To deny that reality and instead use oppression/lack of sex education is counterproductive and leads to more dangerous scenarios.
If the panel members are uncomfortable, it’s their choice.
They aren’t consenting to conducting adult discussion with kids around.
Wait, you think they care if the teenagers get in? We’re talking about the elementary school kids.
Eeh, more complicated than that. Enforcing age restrictions is an obnoxiously complex issue, even though by all reasonable measures it shouldn’t be.
The #1 priority of a con is protecting its panelists & volunteers, and while keeping the panelists comfortable is a critical aspect, enforcement of the conditions they need for adult panels can be a logistical nightmare. It’s why so many cons are moving away from having any adult oriented panels at all, and it’s really sad to see that the most reasonable solution is to just not have them.
Yeah, at the end of the day though you have to set realistic expectations and if you can’t round up the staff with that then you can’t have it. Trying to card check everyone coming into the room would just take too long.