From the Quinnipac results PDF the article linked to:
In today’s poll, Republicans 93 – 6 percent back Trump, while Democrats 94 – 5 percent back Harris. Among independents, 47 percent back Trump, 44 percent back Harris, 3 percent back Stein, and 2 percent back Oliver.
In a hypothetical two-way race between Harris and Trump, Trump receives 48 percent support and Harris receives 48 percent support.
Why, it’s almost as if you’ve posted the perfect explanation about why it’s so important not to throw your vote away on a third party candidate that has no chance of winning. Thanks so much for proving the point that all of us have been repeatedly telling you.
Thanks so much friend!
I’m happily and proudly voting third party. Thanks!
To be this dedicated to getting Trump elected is almost impressive. You seem to be putting more effort into getting him elected than the combined effort put in by all the third-party presidential candidates to win themselves.
I mean, look at your favorite du jour, Claudia de la Cruz. Eleven events over the next month (the last month before the election) and eight of them are in California (which is useless to her other than that sweet, sweet fundraising). One event in Oregon, one in Wisconsin, and one in Arizona (where she’s not even on the ballot or registered for write-ins).
Can’t say I agree with your politics or your methods, friend, but to be so committed to a cause is something I guess.
Thank you!
But remember: every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
Also, I do really like Claudia de la Cruz, but I’m not voting for her. Thank you!
Yes, in local elections. No, in national elections. Even if everyone dropped the DNC and voted a third party into the Presidential office, third parties don’t just appear as permanent major contenders due to winning one election. Not to mention the congressional support they’d need to pass anything. You sound kinda like me when I was younger, so I really do hope you’re trolling so you can avoid the sudden realization of what exactly you’re suggesting. Splitting the vote is a real thing that can happen if a majority faction schisms into two minority factions. Unless you’re absolutely positive that whatever third party is already going to get more votes than Harris, voting third party is splitting the progressive vote. If you want to establish a third party, go out into your county and campaign for one at a local level. Get a regional voter base and work toward a congressional campaign. Seriously, nobody’s stopping you. I would love to see people doing that. But please don’t pretend this pipe dream of electing a third party straight to the highest office in the land (with no legislative or judicial support) is the answer to the future.
As I said, I personally believe that supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
But remember: every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change.
I suspect that’s not true as there do exist folks who may prefer Harris to any of the third parties. Never-trump Republicans, for example.
This differs from the usual argument about voting third party since the additional aspect of voting for a non-viable candidate is not present here - Harris has a real shot at winning.
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
A couple of points in response:
There are multiple ways to push the conversation forward. For example, one can fully back Harris but still push for different policies (such as more support for Gaza, backing single payer healthcare, free college for all, or even a universal basic income).
Pushing the conversation forward is good and all, but it seems like a non-sequitur in terms of avoiding a win by the GOP candidate.
Finally, currently there do not exist any viable alternatives outside the two-party system for the president. (In downstream elections like Senators and House reps and such, we do see independents.) The closest is Socialist and independent Bernie Sanders - he’s not a member of the Democratic party but he caucuses with the Dems and he ran as a primary candidate for the Democratic nomination for President.
This acknowledges the reality that an independent president would have to govern with the cooperation of a coalition of Senators and Reps.
In practical terms I suspect if there ever was an independent president, that person would have to “caucus” with either the Dems or the GOP of Congress.
By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
I’d give credit to this. For example, some voters who identify as Muslim in some battleground states are preferring to vote for Stein over Harris and giving the reason of policy differences over Gaza and Palestine. If we sideline voices, this is how we lose votes.
By instead listening, we have a better chance to win them over, and thus turn the tide.
Where have these third parties been for the past 4 years?
Do you think they didn’t exist before now?!
every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent
real changeTrump, transparently evenAlso, I do really like Claudia de la Cruz, but I’m not voting for her. Thank you!
Oh right, you’re supporting Fruit - who has ONE event in the next month. https://themilitant.com/events/ Sorry, you just spend all your time talking about literally anyone else, I guess it slipped my mind.
And they only have access to 25 out of 538 electors because of how limited their ballot access is. Really backing a dynamic and legitimate campaign there, friend! So brave.
Sorry, you just spend all your time talking about literally anyone else, I guess it slipped my mind.
Really backing a dynamic and legitimate campaign there, friend! So brave.
I’m voting for the candidate who aligns with my values. And that is not your candidate. :)
I’m proud of who I am voting for.
Believe it or not, unlike you I don’t follow people around and interject myself in comment threads ten deep. So happy you have such an active outlet for your…
Oh wait, hmm, that looks pretty sad actually. Not many takers, huh? Latest four posts are all from you over three days and you can’t even manage to get upvoted in your own community. I’d say it was hilarious that you thought that was evidence of something, but now you’ve just made me sad friend.
you can’t even manage to get upvoted in your own community.
You say that as if it would matter to me. Unlike you, I don’t care about upvotes or downotes very much. I think it’s hilarious that people are so quick to downvote, but I don’t really care that much.
And who cares how deep a comment is? If I am reading the comments and find one that I want to respond to, I respond.
I don’t look, nor do i care, where it is in the thread or how many threads deep it is. I find it funny that It’s so important to you though! lol
What “takers” are you referring to? I post articles I find interesting. If they find an audience, cool. If they don’t find an audience, cool. I don’t write them, I just post them, friend. :)
Just plug your ears and go “LA LA LA LA LA LA” every time anyone shows you facts (or shit, you show yourself since you’re OP of this post) that show you are 100% throwing your vote away.
Just remember this when Trump wins by a margin smaller than the third party vote. The blood of the Ukrainians, Palestinians, and others that will perish as a direct result of Trump winning will be on your hands.
I don’t have to explain anything to you. And no blood on my hands because I’m not voting for Trump. :)
On Lemmy campaigning for MAGA every day and then pretending you didn’t contribute to whatever outcome occurs.
How am I campaigning for MAGA? I didn’t write the article. I also post pro-democrat articles. So am I campaigning for Democrats every day? https://lemmy.world/c/politicsunfiltered
As uncomfortable as it is, we really need for the polls to stay close so people vote. Too much difference is either deflating or overconfident.
I’m all for people voting, for sure!
I’m still not voting for either one of them. :)
Don’t do Ralph dirty like that.
That’s some top tier bad faith logic right there…
How so? That’s the exact mindset of many people who post here.
The comic’s logic; not you posting it. I completely believe the comic fooled you.
I have voted third party since before you were born. No comic fooled me, friend. Thank you!
I have voted third party since before you were born
Not sure what this has to do with what I said?? Just throwing around ‘appeal to age’ fallacies for the fun of it? Wow. Your old. Congratulations on not dying yet? Also, you’re just wrong.
No comic fooled me
It seems to. Happy to hear back from you once you’ve figured out where it gotcha…
Translation: “I’m too privileged to care about who wins this election.”
Oh, they’ve said repeatedly that they are “not afraid of Trump winning” and the statements about the dangers of another Trump are “fear-mongering” and “exaggerations.”
Absolutely screams only the kind of privilege you see in middle class, white, cis, hetero males. Honestly sort of surprised they’re not spouting Ayn Rand bs, but definitely the same vibe.
Nah, brah, they are a TrAnSrAcIaL mOrMoN sAtAnIsT who recently went from being a viking on their profile to a Skyrim-style cool ass black warrior. This is how you know they are completely real and not fake in any way. And don’t you forget it – this mother fucker is 100% WoKeFrEe!
Thanks for the summary! Still voting third party. Thank you!
Well, I guess since you thanked me for it, the summary is 100% accurate. Good to know, friend!
Thanking you for something doesn’t mean you got it right. But you tried. So hey, as long as you are trying, friend.
I’m still not voting for you candidate. :)
That’s okay, no one with any brains is voting for yours. Since you switched from Stein, your candidate won’t even crack .05%. So while half the country may vote against my candidate, at least 99.95% aren’t voting for yours.
Well then you have no reason to get mad or worry about anything, right? I mean, our numbers are so pitiful, you have no reason to be upset. :)
Doubt it. The campaign you’ve embarked here would not make much sense for you do engage in if you were going to do so.
middle class, white, cis, hetero males.
So are you saying those are bad things? Are you trying to judge or shame people for how they were born or their skin color?! Why did you bring race and sexuality into this?!
Wow. Just wow. Pretty icky. I can’t take anything you say seriously now. You are showing your true colors.
Ha! You are a precious snowflake my friend! I offered no condemnation or even opinion on any of those things. Strange that’s where your mind went to though.
I just suggested that you evidenced the kind of privilege really only ever seen amongst a certain demographic. Are you saying people in that demographic aren’t privileged? Are you denying the systemic oppression to women and people of color? The enforced economic disadvantage on the poor and working class?!
It’s almost laughable that you call yourself a socialist.
I’m not even in the demographic that you tried to mock me with. Do you think all people in that demographic are privileged?!
I’m not denying oppression of women or color. My mother is black. I don’t even know why you are bringing those things up.
I’m starting to see your true colors. Ewww…
Ah yes - “Pretend confusion followed by dramatic exaggerated disgust (from obvious twist of words)”
Playing the classics!
I don’t know what you mean.
The are obviously saying it’s gross that you would let other people suffer since you apparently belong to a group of people that won’t suffer for your actions. But sure, go ahead and cram a bunch of words in someone’s mouth in an effort from distract from what you are doing.
Don’t care. Still not voting for either one of them. :)
You know all of Lemmy can see right through you, right? Just say you want Trump to win and we can all move on.
If I wanted Trump to win, I’d vote for him. But I’m not voting for him. Thank you!
If you care so little about the performance of the 2 major parties of the US electoral system, why did you even bother to post the original article?
It’s political news, this is a political news sub. I didn’t write the write the article.
Posting to Lemmy is always optional, if you find an article you’re apathetic about you don’t actually have to post or crosspost it. Try again.
Yeah dude, we know you don’t care.
Like the other person said… We all see through you. You’d be making better use of your time shilling somewhere else.
shilling
So is every poster that posts a news article here, “shilling”? Because if so there seem to be a lot of shillers for Harris.
I support and respect your right to vote for who you want to. And you support and respect my right to vote for who I want to, right?
Well if you seem to think I am making poor use of my time, then you shouldn’t be afraid of what I am posting. You have nothing to worry about, right?!
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