Ignoring the context.
Don’t pirate over Telegram, it’s no longer safe in terms of privacy and legal safety.
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Meh, you never could trust them.
Group chats were NEVER encrypted, so I’m surprised that people are just now figuring out that if it’s not encrypted = people can read it.
If it wasn’t a 1:1 “secret chat” encrypted message, then congrats, you weren’t as opsec-y as you thought you were.
This kind of confusion illustrated by Telegram users is exactly why it was the right thing to do for privacy when Signal removed support for SMS because it’s not encrypted. People still whine endlessly about it, but most users are not very savvy, and they’ll assume “this app is secure” and gleefully send compromised SMS to each other. All the warnings and UI indicators that parts of the app were less secure (or not at all in the case of SMS) would be ignored by many users, resulting in an effectively more dangerous app. Signal was smart to remove those insecure features entirely.
Yeah. You can’t offer a half-secure and half-private platform and expect your average person to be able to figure out which half is which, which leads to crazy misconceptions, misunderstandings, and ultimately just a bunch of wrong and misleading information being passed around.
I’d argue, though, that Telegram probably did this on purpose, and profited GREATLY from being obtuse and misleading.
That’s why I stopped using it. They require a phone number, phone numbers require kyc with an ID around here, and there’s just too much illegal shit on there.
It’s of course possible to get a more pseudonymous experience, but honestly, what they offer isn’t worth the hastle.
Telegram never was private, group chats never were encrypted (and that’s not an opinion: the feature simply is missing). If anything, they are just removing their false and deceiving claims. That they remained there for so long is something I can’t wrap my head around.
They were cutting files in smaller parts and spreading over multiple locations and countries. At least that was the claim in the early days, so anything illegal would require lawyers on many jurisdictions sending the same letter (e.g. DMCA takedown)
Ironically, it did work but now that Durov is in jail channel admins would do good to take precautions.
After their CEO being detained and arrested in France because of the illegal activity on his platform, it was a matter of time.
The guy has a history of making something that looks good and then selling it to governments. I’m surprised people took the bait for the second time.
Could I ask what the first time was?
I guess he is referring to VK, but I heard he was foced to get out.
You heard right. He never “sold” anything to any govt, he went to Dubai and hosted TG across like 50 different countries so glowies would be drowned in paperwork before they ever got a chance to submit a subpoena for anything, encrypted or otherwise, with it’s founder in a nation that basically gives zero fucks about international laws and affairs.
This is why TG was so trustworthy and had such a massive and brazen criminal element
As some people poined out, I was talking about VK. A Russian social network that ended up in the claws of Russian government, which in turn ended up in massive political repressions of it’s userbase for posting “wrong” things.
He then made Telegram and used Russian government’s attempts to block it as a PR campaign. I guess that’s what made it so appealing at first, but now French government stepped in and we are going all over again.
Telegram was never safe. All anyone ever had was their word that some chats are end-to-end encrypted.
Show me the code where you found the evidence.
My point. We don’t have code so we have to trust them blindly.
They could turn on end to end encryption and the fact that they aren’t doing that is telling imo.
Every time something like this gets posted a bunch of snobby elitist types come out to point and laugh and talk about how obvious it is that the thing wasn’t safe. Well what is? What’s the special secret you’re keeping from everyone else? If you don’t have one to share, STFU with the smarmy attitudes.
Can someone start a Signal group? That’s encrypted and safe for sure. You can use usernames and have public groups.
The best way would be using SimpleX do doing such stuff
But if you just interact with the channel and just download isn’t it ok? I mean I ain’t hosting it. Or you reckon even users might get in trouble depending on your country?
Signal is not better than matrix in any way… or xmpp
Why do you say Signal is no better?
Edit: misread as comparing to telegram, not matrix.
Signal being centralized just ruins it compared to matrix.
Xmpp is not encrypted. So sorry but without that, your sentence makes no sense at all.
Have you seen an XMPP setup these days that doesn’t have installed all the extra stuff to allow encryption, voice and a lot of other bells and whistles?
I had no idea XMPP wasn’t encrypted, JFC that’s garbage
I mean you can (client side). But the protocol is agnostic of any encryption.
