I started to become interested in feminism over the last few months, but with the last horrifying cases of crimes against women i saw that many feminist women have (reasonably) learned to fear us, or at least, have some resentment towards us (again, reasonably), so, do we have a place in this movement, or we should take a step aside

  • bane_killgrind@slrpnk.netEnglish
    41·
    3 months ago

    YES

    All misogyny, that obligates women to certain behavior, also obligates men to certain behavior.

    Disregarding those expectations and/of hierarchy is absolutely an expression of feminism that you can express.

    • Ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      92·
      3 months ago

      Appealing to “Well, it impacts you too” is great for what it’s worth, but it misses the point that we should be focused on inequality above and beyond the stuff that impacts you specifically.

      • bane_killgrind@slrpnk.netEnglish
        7·
        3 months ago

        It doesn’t miss the point, allowing and encouraging men to engage in traditionally feminine activities like childrearing, domestic work, expressing empathy etc enables the women around them to engage in non traditional behavior.

        Inequality is a systems problem, personal behavior and expectations is a personal problem, and both need to be addressed.

        • Ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          52·
          3 months ago

          I’m well aware. But the reality is, a reply in a feminist community, that focused on mens needs is what got the attention and the up votes. And that prioritisation of men’s interests over women’s is part of the problem.

          Feminism includes men, but focusing on men to highlight its importance, sustains the problem feminism exists to address in the first place.

          • bane_killgrind@slrpnk.netEnglish
            4·
            3 months ago

            I’m trying to convey that regardless of other people’s expectations, he’s responsible for learning and being critical of his own behavior.

            You are absolutely right that male voices and opinions are over represented here.

            • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
              3·
              2 months ago

              Interestingly, 90% of the content is posted by a man. Just sayin.

              (yes, that would be me)

              But I think @ada@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone makes a great point. I post articles that largely pertain to men in !mensliberation@lemmy.ca, since that’s a feminist space dedicated to men’s voices and highlights how inequity impacts men. To piggyback off their point, and I do realize the irony in me saying this, I think there’s a downside to men driving the conversation in feminist spaces (e.g.: the most upvoted comment ends up being about men). Men already dictate hegemonic beliefs in most spaces in society.