I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

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    They were banned around the same time as The Donald because everyone was tired of the shit both groups were doing.

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      I do remember that, and I remember them half-assing the Donald by just letting them make a new sub (or overrun conspiracy irrc)

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        Yeah they immediately took over Conspiracy and consolidated the hold on Conservative. Made me really sad as conspiracy used to have some incredible rabbit hole posts. Then one day it was just TD all over again.

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          IIRC, the fun conspiracists moved to r/high_strangeness or something like that.

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            That sub is trash also. I think the whole conspiracy theorist subculture has been taken over by the alt right and is highly politicized at this point.

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              The days of mild and fun conspiracy theories are over. The entire community has been fully consumed with qanon/maga/antisemitism insanity. Their minds are irrevocably broken.

              It’s a shame. I grew up on xfiles and loved all the lore around the culture.

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              I was afraid of that (which is why I phrased it less definitively than I could have). Good to know!

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      The_Donald was dead amd had migrated to a non-reddit forum a month before the ban. It was typical “both sides” bullshit from a dude who always uses the kiddy gloves with fascists while throwing the book at any leftists

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      They were banned while saying John Brown did nothing wrong and that slaveowners deserve to die.

      Sounds pretty cool to me.

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        While true there was a lot more behind the decision than that final post. They had been fighting with the admins for a long time.

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          There actually isn’t any such logic presented for the decision. Mostly just allusions to celebrating violence, the only examples of which were the anti-slavery posts I referenced.

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            Maybe because you didn’t observe it happening. Reddit admins were busy as hell cleaning the place up. All kinds of rightwing subs like some of the incel gathering spots. Some for straight up Nazis like frenworld or whatever it was where they were using honk honk as code for heil Hitler. When the admins made site changes due to complaints about right wing subs, Chapo made the list because they engaged in similar activities with the main complaint being brigading other subs. Their mods refused to change to meet the new rules. The admins eventually removed some of the mods. They still refused to change afterward. Which eventually got them shut down.

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              Maybe because you didn’t observe it happening.

              I did, actually. I made some of the John Brown posts lol.

              Reddit admins were busy as hell cleaning the place up. All kinds of rightwing subs like some of the incel gathering spots. Some for straight up Nazis like frenworld or whatever it was where they were using honk honk as code for heil Hitler. When the admins made site changes due to complaints about right wing subs, Chapo made the list because they engaged in similar activities with the main complaint being brigading other subs.

              Brigading is not an activity similar to supporting incels or Nazis.

              I remember the subreddit mods sharing their attempts to communicate with admins on this, offering to make whatever changes would be needed, and getting stonewalled. The subreddit itself adopted a no-brigading policy and included it with an pinned automod comment on every post.

              But this is neither here nor there because the ban announcement said nothing about brigading. Instead, they said it was about content violating their new anti-hate policy and a vague statement about mods not “reining” in users. Prior communications and the timeline suggested the only content violations were anti-slavery posts.

              Their mods refused to change to meet the new rules.

              How so?

              The admins eventually removed some of the mods.

              Which ones and why?

              They still refused to change afterward

              Such as?

              The reality is that most of this was actually opaque.

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      The Donald had largely abandoned the sub well before it was banned though.

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        Largely because they moved to different subs.

        The Chapo crew didn’t want to calm down with all the threats of violence and other ridiculous antics. So they left completely.

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          Threats of violence against confederate slave owners.

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              When the sub was put on probation, the post Reddit cited was justifying violence against slave owners. As far as I can tell, you just made up that they threatened Reddit admins.

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                There were other things that went down to get them on probation. I can tell you’re gladly defending them though. Which is ridiculous so have a nice day.

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                  Do you have some inside information you want to share with the rest of the class?

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              Huffman has been a frequent attendee at Burning Man, the annual, clothing-optional festival in the Nevada desert, where artists mingle with moguls. He fell in love with one of its core principles, “radical self-reliance,” which he takes to mean “happy to help others, but not wanting to require others.” (Among survivalists, or “preppers,” as some call themselves, FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, stands for “Foolishly Expecting Meaningful Aid.”) Huffman has calculated that, in the event of a disaster, he would seek out some form of community: “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”

              Spez pretty openly fantasizes about owwning slaves

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      No, The Donald was encouraging political violence and was becoming a legal liability for Reddit to continue hosting. But they needed to ban a major left wing subreddit at the same time to do a “both sides bad” thing and preempt the fascist talking points about social media having a liberal bias.