I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
    5681·
    3 months ago

    Seeing the ban coming, they financed and suffered alpha and beta of the Lemmy platform we all enjoy. Then, they chose to become the most GLBTQ+ friendly destination on the internet.

    As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

    But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

    Their shit isn’t convenient or comfortable. It’s not easy to understand. And, I fucking love them for it.

    edit: Lazy coders need choose a randomized target value and timing or be a moderator to avoid detection by the user. Perceiving is easy when your code is trash. Ask for help from an industrial engineer.

    • would_be_appreciatedEnglish
      112·
      3 months ago

      But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

      I’ve never seen this - not just from that instance, but literally anywhere on the internet, even back in the forum or bb days. But I’ve been looking for something like that for years, and I’d be interested. Do you know of any specific examples of this happening?

      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
        134·
        3 months ago

        The best example I’ve experienced online is hexbear’s process to derive forum ruleset with respect to their minority of GLBTQ+. The consensus was that many understood and that those that did not would follow in faith, assuming that they would soon understand. The second best online example was the GME subreddits’ cultural response to initial scaling. The consensus was that each should individually choose and the collective’s purpose was to educate, this strengthening individual wisdom.

        But, my guidance would be to first pursue such things in real life. A leftist’s best work is almost always grassroots local.

      • alcoholicorn
        5·
        3 months ago

        Notable struggle sessions:

        Pronouns End result: Transphobes outed themselves and were purged)

        Veganism End result: Vegans who couldn’t stop stoking the fire and anti-vegans who wouldn’t stop trolling or using indigenous people as a shield were purged, CWs were required for meat, vegans generally chilled out

        Stacking rocks End result: White guys using indigenous tribes they aren’t a part of as a shield were heavily mocked)

        Outdoor Cats End result: outdoor cats bad

        AES countries End result: For each country, there are/have been significant issues, but nearly every western criticism is worthless for understanding them due to being false or lacking the historical context.

      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
        49·
        3 months ago

        I also haven’t seen this but it seems to make fun of the authoritarian excesses in Mao’s China (struggle session).

        The Three Body Problem show features this, leading a character to go mad and wanting to destroy humanity.

        The funny thing is that this post is sort of a struggle session, an attempt to build consensus against socialists.

    • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
      3528·
      3 months ago

      As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

      Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.

      F them and f you for defending them.

      This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.

      https://lemm.ee/post/4543536

      Above screenshot is from said thread.

      The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!

        • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
          32·
          3 months ago

          Perhaps now is the time.

          No, Time for condoning class war and murder is never and nowhere.

          Go back to hexbear, you poor, uneducated, lying, bolshevik piece of shit.

          But thank you for showing anyone who may have not had an experience with you before what type of people you are.

          One can always count on that, you morons just can’t help yourself.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
          34·
          3 months ago

          Your portrayal of them just being made into regular peasants seems to me viewing the whole affair with more than rose colored glasses.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization

          All kulaks were assigned to one of three categories:[4]
          Those to be shot or imprisoned as decided by the local secret political police. Those to be sent to Siberia, the North, the Urals, or Kazakhstan, after confiscation of their property. Those to be evicted from their houses and used in labour colonies within their own districts.

          By most people’s reckoning in most of planet earth they stole the lawfully earned property of kulaks and either murdered them or otherwise destroyed their lives. Treating them worse than most developed nations treat burglars and thieves.

          If someone shot your grandpa and your uncle, send half your people to Siberia to die out there, and sent the other half to prison locally of course you would flee with whatever you could carry and of course you would at that point be an enemy of the regime that destroyed your life.

          So if the original commenter’s great grandparents were kulaks who “suffered at the hands of the soviet union,” they deserved it.

          I don’t understand your justification for what is ultimately pretty horrific treatment foisted on people ultimately just participating lawfully in society up until that point.

            • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
              25·
              3 months ago

              America didn’t go from legally sanctioning a behavior to murdering the people today who were behaving lawfully yesterday even if they were immoral fucks. If you don’t understand that then you don’t understand how normal societies run.

          • alcoholicorn
            21·
            3 months ago

            You don’t get to call directing state power against the petite bourgeoisie a brutal police regime when your government is supporting the most brutal dictatorships in Africa, whose violence is directed at the working class.

              • alcoholicorn
                41·
                3 months ago

                The vital context is wielding state power against internal threats. Which literally every state must do to continue to exist. It’s not whataboutism to point out that the state you currently live in is currently doing far worse, for far worse reasons in a context where your criticism can only be used for anticommunism.

                Would you say it’s constructive for an Israeli to be critical of gay rights in Palestine? Of course not, because divorced of context, it only carries water for imperialism

                  • alcoholicorn
                    21·
                    3 months ago

                    Nobody is advocating power abuse. One of the books I try to get people to read, Life and Terror in Stalin’s Russia contextualizes the scale of and how such abuses occurred in a much more useful criticism than “communism bad Stalin evil, that’s why you can’t ever do anything about rightists organizing against the state”.

                    A good accompaniment to illustrate what it looks like and what the consequences are when the left fails to take appropriate action once in power is The Jakarta Method

      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
        1919·
        3 months ago

        Yes, please read what the .ee admin says about where the bigoted users originate and the actions of the hexbear mods in response. It certainly speaks for itself.

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
      2418·
      3 months ago

      Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like “oh no they were right all along” and got radicalized 🤷

          • Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works
            1818·
            3 months ago

            That’s the whole point of an echo chamber yes. You can say whatever you want without being challenged by other viewpoints and make anything seem plausible.

            • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
              2118·
              3 months ago

              but they are linking a lot of outside sources. That’s what I mean by “backing their claims up”, studies about covid, about the ukraine war, about Israel, it’s not just someone making a claim and then everyone is nodding along.

              What I am saying is they were able to completely upend the way I see the world and you just can’t do that by claiming thengs and linking to some other claims you make.

              • AmidFuror@fedia.io
                1410·
                3 months ago

                Wait until you hear about Scientology! Not the criticism from haters but the really mindbending stuff they have figured out.

                • alcoholicorn
                  162·
                  3 months ago

                  Hexbear is not able to curate who is allowed to post in other instances

                  • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
                    69·
                    3 months ago

                    If you’ve heard of Chapo Trap House that’s them.

                    You seem to have lost the thread of this conversation, but this is how it started. Hexbear admins and mods definitely control who is allowed to post in Chapo Trap House, and related communities such as the_dunk_tank, even from instances other than Hexbear.net.

                • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
                  179·
                  3 months ago

                  I was on lemm.ee when I got radicalized, all my life Ive been exposed to people claiming all sorts of things. I was a pro-NATO pro-Ukraine anti-ussr anti-china average reddit lib that they were able to convince otherwise.

          • Kaboom@reddthat.com
            815·
            3 months ago

            It’s surprisingly easy to backup horrible ideas, but that shouldn’t be your only concern. You also need to think about the morals and what happened last time it was tried.

            The ends do not justify the means. The means are the ends.

            • TheOubliette
              82·
              3 months ago

              The last time what was tried? This sounds like historical “knowledge” derived from memes.

      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
        64·
        3 months ago

        I don’t think they really helped with the financing

        All the computational resources the users tested the code base on must’ve been free.

        I’m surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated

        Identity politics from .ml?

        If you’re surprised at such small acts of individual praxis, you’d be amazed at what we’ve accomplished in groups.

          • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
            53·
            3 months ago

            when I see financing like that but looking at like that isn’t incorrect

            None of the devs got paid. There are no other expenses.

            I normally expect people who hold sympathies towards hexbear to use an account on like lemm.ee so they don’t have to use more than one account to browse everything they want to see

            You expect the convenient implementation of MLK’s white moderate. But, my content should give no indication of that stereotype.

            I’ll answer your previous question: I’ve personal accounts on world, ee, ml, and hexbear. The fediverse doesn’t limit viewing content from multiple accounts concurrently. One must only choose an account to post. The only obstacle to such a tool is a means to avoid burdening the fediverse with duplicate responses to content requests. We solved that problem in a few hours.

            If you want actual insight communicated properly then you should ask in the correct venue. For example, I’d have no issue explaining in nuance on hexbear because the majority has a strong understanding or conversion of theory to praxis. I’m not even needed. Others would adequately explain on my behalf.

              • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
                71·
                3 months ago

                I’ve perceived only good faith from your posts. I apologize if I’ve not demonstrated that in my responses. It’s difficult to do here.

                  • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
                    31·
                    3 months ago

                    Based on this interaction I’ve realized my perception of lemmygrad is hypocritical: My experience indicates that our shallow, automated and wide scope language analysis likely isn’t human truth. I’ve decided to spend more time there.

                    Thank you for risking good faith engagement when it’s not popular or politic. Iron sharpens iron.

      • SirDerpy@lemmy.world
        22·
        3 months ago

        Hello, low effort neolib troll. Thanks for the opportunity to continue to speak truth.

        There’s a cultural similarity to what 4-chan was prior to the LOIC. But, they’re definitely not tankies. Sincere expressions of authoritarian means are soundly defeated and usually result in permabans. The principle and practice is consistent for MAGA, neolibs, and other authoritarians.